Dinner Impossible

[cacunn]

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[M. A. C. Newsome]

I think you are talking about the Irvine clan crest.


A buckler is a type of shield.


Although Scots did use bucklers... and Scottish crests are typically displayed with belts & buckles... I can see where someone could get confused. :-)

[cacunn]

Thank Matt for the clarification. If you will forgive the impertinence I will sit corrected rather than stand. Its hard to type while standing.

[CameronTaylor]

He oughta ta have a bigger one on the back of that shirt thinks I.


CT - and a kilt for that matter

[pipesndrumsnun]

Hmmm...I wonder how many folks watching that program recognize the clan crest!

[CactusJack]

Thanks, I have watched his show many time and had often wondered about this mayself and now I know. This is exactly why I like being here I learn something new almost every day.

[MJR]

I suppose I'm really picking at nits, but I don't think it's actually a "clan crest," or that there is even any such thing -- isn't that a "clan badge" for use by members of the clan who don't actually have their own coats of arms? If I'm correctly remembering what little I ever knew about heraldry, the crest is the bit that sits above the helmet in a full achievement of arms. In Scotland every part of a coat of arms is the private property of a single individual, but members of a clan can wear a badge that consists of the chief's crest along with his motto in the belt-and-buckle, so legally at least it's not a "clan crest" but a "clan badge."

Cheers,

Murray (trying out for the "Heraldry Police," apparently)

[cacunn]

To add to the confusion electricsctoland.com calls it a clan crest badge and has some information about it here:

http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/lordlyon2.htm

Since I keep putting my foot in my mouth I think (and I think as infrequently as possible), I'll call it the little round thingy that I wear on my hat that helps identify clan/organization affiliation.

[macwilkin]

I suppose I'm really picking at nits, but I don't think it's actually a "clan crest," or that there is even any such thing -- isn't that a "clan badge" for use by members of the clan who don't actually have their own coats of arms? If I'm correctly remembering what little I ever knew about heraldry, the crest is the bit that sits above the helmet in a full achievement of arms. In Scotland every part of a coat of arms is the private property of a single individual, but members of a clan can wear a badge that consists of the chief's crest along with his motto in the belt-and-buckle, so legally at least it's not a "clan crest" but a "clan badge."

Cheers,

Murray (trying out for the "Heraldry Police," apparently)

Correct. The device in the center of the badge is the crest of the chief from their coat of arms. The buckle & strap signify that the wearer is a clansman/woman.

I generally refer to such a badge as a "clansman's badge". See the Information Leaflet below from the Lyon Court for more detailed informaiton.

To add to the confusion electricsctoland.com calls it a clan crest badge and has some information about it here:

http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/lordlyon2.htm

Since I keep putting my foot in my mouth I think (and I think as infrequently as possible), I'll call it the little round thingy that I wear on my hat that helps identify clan/organization affiliation.

I would recommend these web sites for more information:

http://www.scotarmigers.net/leaflet2.htm

http://www.heraldry-scotland.co.uk/

http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/CCC_FirstPage.jsp

And, since this thread deals with heraldry, I'm moving it to the heraldry & tartans section.

Cheers,

Todd

[Arizona Scot]

Well I want to thank the rabble, I've been trying to figure out what that was on his shirt for several months now. I have even e-mailed both food network and Chef Irvine both with no reply. Should have asked here first. Next time I will know.