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26th January 08, 08:31 PM
#1
Are You A Clansman?
This is probably going to be almost as contentious as the What Is A Scot wars of a few weeks ago... I hope not, but ya never know....
Is it your name, your ancestry, or a membership card that gives you bragging rights as a Clan MacX clansman?
Let me step out of the line of fire and ask:
YOUR OPINIONS, PLEASE?
Last edited by MacMillan of Rathdown; 29th January 08 at 10:25 PM.
Reason: typo
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26th January 08, 08:47 PM
#2
I consider it by my DNA and surname. My clan assocations request a genealogy, but other clan associations do not.
Last edited by Jack Daw; 26th January 08 at 09:11 PM.
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27th January 08, 01:03 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
This is probably going to be almost as contentious as the What Is A Scot wars of a few weks ago... I hope not, but ya never know....
Is it your name, your ancestry, or a membership card that gives you bragging rights as a Clan MacX clansman?
Let me step out of the line of fire and ask:
YOUR OPINIONS, PLEASE?
Well MacMillan, you've might've opened a real can of worms with this one 
This is one of those subjects thats purely subjective. What maybe "correct" for one individual, or clan / clan society, maynot be for another.
Why even within my own Clan Mackay (USA / Canada / & Scotland) we have had one or two individuals voice the opinion that one must bear the surname to be a "true" clansman. An opinion thankfully not shared by the Chief or the rest of the membership.
Originally Posted by Jack Daw
I consider it by my DNA and surname. My clan assocations request a genealogy, but other clan associations do not.
I agree with what Jack wrote (for myself), though when you mention surname I do not know if you mean you bear the surname or you come from a linage connected to that surname?
In my case it is the later. My paternal grandmother was a Scobee, and we can trace our linage at least as far as my 6th great-grandfather, John Scoby b. 1720 in Scotland.
If someone today, as the afore mentioned Mackay, believes you must bear the surname to be a member, I say nonsense! After all many of our ancestors belonged to the clans either through marriage, swearing allegience to the chief, etc, without ever taking the chief's name, mine included.
Again, using Clan Mackay as an example, we also have members who have no relation at all to the Mackays or their septs. These are honorary members who have shown great interest & done service for the clan, its society, etc.
Really again no different than in ancient times.
As with Jack, in my associations some require genealogy, some do not.
Mackays do not, however we have been in the (long overdue) process of developing a genealogical data base. In everyone of my memberships I have provided a genealogy for each one going back to Scotland, or Ireland (required or not).
And while I honor my ancestors with memberships in their clans (the ones I can positively trace anyways), I feel most bound to the Mackays thru my pride in my Scobee kith & kin and their accomplishments (including my cousin Dick Scobee, late commander of the ill-fated space shuttle Challenger), thru my friendships & kinships with Clan Mackay worldwide, and by being a state commissioner for the society (a position which was approved by the Lord Reay, Chief of the Mackays himself.).
In the end, am I a clansman? Yes, like Jack so well said "its in my DNA". 
Last edited by BoldHighlander; 27th January 08 at 03:29 AM.
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[SIZE="1"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]proud descendant of the McReynolds/MacRanalds of Ulster & Keppoch, Somerled & Robert the Bruce.[/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"]"Ah, here comes the Bold Highlander. No @rse in his breeks but too proud to tug his forelock..." Rob Roy (1995)[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
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26th January 08, 08:55 PM
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Am I a Clansman?
I guess that I really should join the clan association for the clan of my mother, by genealogical trace.
I was given a fine Scottish kilt in the clan tartan as a pre-teen, as the family (rightly) had figured I had grown to the size that I would be for a while. I wore that kilt from about 12 years old till I grew out of it at 52. I am now saving for another Real MacNeil. I also fattened my way out of my PC, and Argyle jackets and vests. Big money to be spent when I order new kit, as I have decided that it is very unlikely that I will ever be back to the size again... At 14 stone, 10 stone is a long way away.
My father's side may go back to Clan Lamont, but I have not found any evidence of it.
I consider myself a descendant of MacNeil of Barra, by the family tree. I do not know if that means I am an official "clansman" or merely an ofsprung of the tree.
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26th January 08, 09:52 PM
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I signed up here, I post here. This is my Clan. This is my family.
Steve Ashton
www.freedomkilts.com
Skype (webcam enabled) thewizardofbc
I wear the kilt because: Swish + Swagger = Swoon.
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26th January 08, 10:16 PM
#6
The Irish don't have clans, we have gangs! X-Marks is my only 'clan'.
My wife on the other hand, is related to the Lamont and Thomson clans on her father's side and Stuart and Burns on her mothers.
Order of the Dandelion, The Houston Area Kilt Society, Bald Rabble in Kilts, Kilted Texas Rabble Rousers, The Flatcap Confederation, Kilted Playtron Group.
"If you’re going to talk the talk, you’ve got to walk the walk"
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27th January 08, 12:32 AM
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[SIZE="2"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]T. E. ("TERRY") HOLMES[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]proud descendant of the McReynolds/MacRanalds of Ulster & Keppoch, Somerled & Robert the Bruce.[/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"]"Ah, here comes the Bold Highlander. No @rse in his breeks but too proud to tug his forelock..." Rob Roy (1995)[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
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27th January 08, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BoldHighlander
[FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B]  That's pretty funny....but not exactly true.
The Irish do have clans, some which have gone back as long as the Scots clans in history (at least). Here's the ones I know of:
Fitzgibbon Clan
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fitzgibbonclan/
Andy in Ithaca, NY
Exile from Northumberland
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27th January 08, 12:19 PM
#9
Originally Posted by BoldHighlander
See my post above for Sean Murphy's series of articles on the issue of "Irish clans".
T.
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27th January 08, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Zardoz
The Irish don't have clans, we have gangs! X-Marks is my only 'clan'.
My wife on the other hand, is related to the Lamont and Thomson clans on her father's side and Stuart and Burns on her mothers.
The Irish have Clans. I am a chieftain in the Clan Cian (read O'Carroll) But I also consider myself an Xmarker
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