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12th April 08, 05:03 AM
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Kilted John Barrowman
Just reading an interview in today's newspaper about John Barrowman who was born in Scotland but was brought up in the states, one or two interesting things he says in the interview, firstly he talks about being proud of his Scottish heritage and background ' A lot of people when they go to the States to live and work find that they're stronger abot their heritage'
he goes on to say' I wore a kilt to my high school prom at a time when they basically thought I was turning up in a skirt - they're just idiots in the American mid-west'
Would this still be the attitude to day to a young person wearing the kilt at school? You hear reports every now and then about kilts not being welcome at school!
Lastly, the star of Torchwood and Doctor Who (incidently the new series of Doctor Who started last Saturday) says that Torchwood in the States is a far bigger hit than Doctor Who, is this the case?
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12th April 08, 05:51 AM
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I haven't had any negative comments wearing my kilt while living in the midwest, but I'm in a college town and people are mostly used to some things being out of the ordinary. Most folks just ask if I'm in a pipe band or something. I think calling mid-westerners idiots is unfair. I haven't read the article, but I'd wonder if he lived in a smaller town? I also grew up in the South, and find that it's not a Southern or Midwestern thing to be suspicious or discounting of "outsiders" or strange clothing. It's more of a small-town thing, where folks don't tend to get out and see much of the rest of the world. At least, that's been my experience.
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12th April 08, 06:27 AM
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![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Jimmy
Just reading an interview in today's newspaper about John Barrowman who was born in Scotland but was brought up in the states, one or two interesting things he says in the interview, firstly he talks about being proud of his Scottish heritage and background ' A lot of people when they go to the States to live and work find that they're stronger abot their heritage'
he goes on to say' I wore a kilt to my high school prom at a time when they basically thought I was turning up in a skirt - they're just idiots in the American mid-west'
Would this still be the attitude to day to a young person wearing the kilt at school? You hear reports every now and then about kilts not being welcome at school!
Lastly, the star of Torchwood and Doctor Who (incidently the new series of Doctor Who started last Saturday) says that Torchwood in the States is a far bigger hit than Doctor Who, is this the case?
His comments about expats being stronger about their heritage certainly agree with the sentiments of my Scots expat friends who active in scottish organisations, games, etc.
However, as a Midwesterner, I find his second statement condescending and insulting, especially since my Scots ancestors settled in the Midwest.
ignorance knows no geographical boundaries.
Regards,
Todd
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12th April 08, 06:36 AM
#4
I would agree with Todd about acceptance and ignorance; they both occur all over the States.
As to the kilt and prom, I would think there would be more acceptance now than when Barrowman was in high school, at least I hope so!
As for Torchwood, I was a huge Dr Who fan but have gotten more into Torchwood (as has my fourteen year old daughter). I think all of the actors are pretty topnotch.
Cheers!
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12th April 08, 07:50 AM
#5
Paint with a broad brush, much? It's unfair to label people in any one part of the country as anything, like they were some sort of heterogeneous group.
That said, every year there's at least one or two stories about some kid who tried to wear the kilt to his prom and got turned away or refused. So, there isn't the sort of widespread acceptance you'd expect.
"To the make of a piper go seven years of his own learning, and seven generations before. At the end of his seven years one born to it will stand at the start of knowledge, and leaning a fond ear to the drone he may have parley with old folks of old affairs." - Neil Munro
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12th April 08, 08:24 AM
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1965: More Than A Year Ago
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by JerseyLawyer
Paint with a broad brush, much? It's unfair to label people in any one part of the country as anything, like they were some sort of heterogeneous group.
That said, every year there's at least one or two stories about some kid who tried to wear the kilt to his prom and got turned away or refused. So, there isn't the sort of widespread acceptance you'd expect.
In 1965 I attended three high school proms in the LA area. Went kilted to all three and had no problems. No smart remarks. Nobody upset. No problems. But then I didn't have an "attitude", something that a lot of high schoolers seem to have these days-- especially when kilted. I suspect that attitude, and teenage angst, which is all part of growing up, has a lot to do with it (just look at the rants we endure on X Marks from time to time).
Regarding acceptance and ignorance-- it's universal, and it shows extreme ignorance to suggest that it only exists in the USA. Someone should tell John Barrowman (whoever he is) to wake up and loose the attitude. It's that kind of attitude that probably got him tossed from the prom in the first place.
And isn't there a "Dr. Who" website out there? (My rant. )
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12th April 08, 08:40 AM
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![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
But then I didn't have an "attitude", something that a lot of high schoolers seem to have these days-- especially when kilted. I suspect that attitude, and teenage angst, which is all part of growing up, has a lot to do with it (just look at the rants we endure on X Marks from time to time).
I would humbly suggest that your comment about high schoolers, especially kilted ones, is written with a fairly broad brush, similar to Mr Barrowman's. ![Wink](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
Now I'm 44 years old and hardly a high schooler AND I don't necessarily disagree with you, I'm just saying...
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12th April 08, 10:48 AM
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kids these days... so darn ignorant!
Gillmore of Clan Morrison
"Long Live the Long Shirts!"- Ryan Ross
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14th April 08, 07:18 AM
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![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
In 1965 I attended three high school proms in the LA area. Went kilted to all three and had no problems. No smart remarks. Nobody upset. No problems. But then I didn't have an "attitude", something that a lot of high schoolers seem to have these days-- especially when kilted. I suspect that attitude, and teenage angst, which is all part of growing up, has a lot to do with it (just look at the rants we endure on X Marks from time to time).
Regarding acceptance and ignorance-- it's universal, and it shows extreme ignorance to suggest that it only exists in the USA. Someone should tell John Barrowman (whoever he is) to wake up and loose the attitude. It's that kind of attitude that probably got him tossed from the prom in the first place.
And isn't there a "Dr. Who" website out there? (My rant. ![Smile](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif) )
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it seems kind of condescending to assume that teen "attitude" is a big part of the issue. Unless you know a lot of kilted teens with attitude and are speaking from personal experience.
There is a Dr. Who website on the BBC website but since the SciFi channel and BBCA are a season behind I try to stay away to avoid spoilers.
And I like both Dr. Who and Torchwood. I thought the Torchwood episode this past Saturday was excellent, giving background to the characters.
Sapienter si sincere Clan Davidson (USA)
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" I'll have a scotch on the rocks. Any scotch will do as long as it's not a blend of course. Single malt Glenlivet, Glenfiddich perhaps maybe a Glen... any Glen." -Swingers
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14th April 08, 08:00 PM
#10
Torchwood Rocks.... but than again so does Dr. Who...
geez, i think i have my Whovian Membership card from the 1980's, I know its in my Tardis Bank...
on the one hand
I am a [B]perfectly ordinary[/B] human being
on the other
I am a [B]kilt-wearing karaoke king[/B]
with a passion for kiwis
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