Double Checking B&W Pic of Royal Stewart

**Riverkilt** · 25th May 09, 12:00 PM

Found this pic again. Piper is Dr. Alfred Hott (no clue about why the guitar accompaniment). Was trying to figure out the tartan then dropped into detective mode. Pic was taken in my childhood home on Sherwood Drive in Portland, Oregon probably between 1950 and 1954.

Looked up pipe bands in Portland and found Clan Macleay Pipes and Drums
http://www.clanmacleay.org/ The band has been around a long time. Their pipers wear Royal Stewart and that seems to match the B&W pic. The fancy jacket, sporran, et.al. seem to match too.

Lady in the middle is my mother.

I remember well that Dr. Hott used to brew his own beer. Icky stuff to me back then...icky stuff.

Ron

**JSFMACLJR** · 25th May 09, 12:38 PM

Ron,
It looks to my untrained eye that the pipe bag is Royal Stuart, but the kilt is something else.

Sandford

**Riverkilt** · 25th May 09, 12:47 PM

Agree, but if you go to the website they appear to be wearing the same tartan and, for some reason, calling it Royal Stewart....

**JSFMACLJR** · 25th May 09, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Riverkilt

Agree, but if you go to the website they appear to be wearing the same tartan and, for some reason, calling it Royal Stewart....

Do you think so? They all seem to be wearing Royal Stuart on the website (the pipers, at least).

**fluter** · 25th May 09, 01:04 PM

The layout is very like MacGregor: if so, red background, green stripes, white overcheck stripe with black guard stripes. Compare Peter C.'s kilt here

There are a couple of similar tartans, but I don't know them by heart.

**Riverkilt** · 25th May 09, 01:19 PM

MacGregor was my first guess, even off the black and white pic...and that's what the kilts the band wears look like. So why does their website say Royal Stewart? Tartan on the pipe bag looks like it could be Royal Stewart.

Confusing stuff.

Ron

**M. A. C. Newsome** · 25th May 09, 01:36 PM

I'd agree with those who say his pipe bag is Royal Stewart but his kilt and plaid are MacGregor. I scrolled through a good bit of the photo album on ther web site you linked to, Ron, and all the kilts I saw were either Royal Stewart or Hunting Stewart. Granted I didn't scroll through all the photos, but I did look at quite a few.

**JSFMACLJR** · 25th May 09, 01:42 PM

I wonder why a pipe band named "Clan MacLeay" would not wear Livingstone tartan? I believe there even is a distinctive MacLea tartan, is there not?

**Riverkilt** · 25th May 09, 02:53 PM

Trouble I had on the website was that some of the pics looked reduced with loss, like with Infranview, where the tartan pattern gets scrambled.

What puzzled me some is that in the B&W pic Dr. Hott's bag tartan and kilt tartan seem different.

Its just a guess he played with the Macleay band since it's old and his regalia seems to match.

**wvpiper** · 26th May 09, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Riverkilt

Trouble I had on the website was that some of the pics looked reduced with loss, like with Infranview, where the tartan pattern gets scrambled.

What puzzled me some is that in the B&W pic Dr. Hott's bag tartan and kilt tartan seem different.

Its just a guess he played with the Macleay band since it's old and his regalia seems to match.

Scenario1) He was in the band, but back then they hadn't yet adopted the Royal Stewart as the band tartan, and so he wore MacGregor b/c that was his clan affiliation. Or, he wore MacGregor during personal appearnaces rather than the band's tartan.

Scenario2) He wasn't in the band-royal stewart bag covers were, and still are, common, as is his piper's doublet.

To be sure we'd need some band pictures from that era.

It's a nice picture. It looks like their posing-do you know why?
I hope he's not actually playing-inside like that, so close to people, it can be ear splitting