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    Bulge at underapron strap

    Hi All
    I just made a tank for a woman 35.5 "W 44" H with a 1.5" rise.
    The overapron lines up perfect but there is a bit of a "Pooch" where the underapron strap comes through the hole on the front apron.
    The straps are at the last hole and the over apron fits nice and snug (except for the pooch) but the underapron is a little loose.
    This is my first kilt with a "womans measurements" I am used to guy kilts with no shaping.I did all measurements by the book except the shorter rise. did that goof something up? not having a full 2" rise?
    So how can I fix this? do I move the straps a little back towards the center of the apron? will the kilt "settle" after it has been worn a bit.

    Thanks for any advice
    Last edited by Tartan Tess; 17th January 11 at 11:32 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan Tess View Post
    Hi All
    I just made a tank for a woman 35.5 "W 44" H with a 1.5" rise.
    The overapron lines up perfect but there is a bit of a "Pooch" where the underapron strap comes through the hole on the front apron.
    The straps are at the last hole and the over apron fits nice and snug (except for the pooch) but the underapron is a little loose.
    This is my first kilt with a "womans measurements" I am used to guy kilts with no shaping.I did all measurements by the book except the shorter rise. did that goof something up? not having a full 2" rise?
    So how can I fix this? do I move the straps a little back towards the center of the apron? will the kilt "settle" after it has been worn a bit.

    Thanks for any advice
    Shouldn't have anything to do with the shaping. But, can you clarify? Is the "pooch" in the top layer (the apron) or in the underapron? If it's in top top layer, move the apron edge buckles toward the back of the kilt. The "pooch" comes from the fact that you can buckle the underapron tighter than you can the apron. Or else just have her not buckle the underapron so tightly.

    If the "pooch" is in the underapron, move the underapron strap toward the center of the underapron.

    You wouldn't even have noticed this except that the straps and buckles are put on where they are in the very last holes. If they were over a bit, and were not in the last holes, she would simply buckle them both until things were smooth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barb T. View Post

    If the "pooch" is in the underapron, move the underapron strap toward the center of the underapron.
    TT, this sounds like what you're describing.
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    The "pooch" is in the overapron from where the strap comes through, on the left hip towards the center of the over apron. The bulge is about 1 1/4 " of tartan.
    While buckled on the last hole of the strap, the underapron is looser, has some movement up and down if you wiggle it.
    Should I move all the buckles toward the back a bit? Front and underapron buckles?And if I want the strap holes to be buckled on approx the center hole punched should I move the buckles about 1 1/2" which is the distance from the last hole to the middle hole punched in the strap. Would just an inch would work?
    Thank all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan Tess View Post
    The "pooch" is in the overapron from where the strap comes through, on the left hip towards the center of the over apron. The bulge is about 1 1/4 " of tartan.
    While buckled on the last hole of the strap, the underapron is looser, has some movement up and down if you wiggle it.
    Should I move all the buckles toward the back a bit? Front and underapron buckles?And if I want the strap holes to be buckled on approx the center hole punched should I move the buckles about 1 1/2" which is the distance from the last hole to the middle hole punched in the strap. Would just an inch would work?
    Thank all!
    Put the kilt on her, but don't put the underapron strap through the hole. Just wrap the strap around her body toward the back. Pull the apron across the front of her body as snug as she wants to wear it, and see where the fringe edge falls with respect to the buckles. You'll see immediately if the buckles need moving. And then peek inside at the underapron strap and see where it's stitched relative to the buttonhole. You'll be able to see whether you need to move the strap toward the center of the underapron or not.
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    Hi Tess,
    Is the underapron strap on the outside of the underapron? If not, then move the unerapron strap back a little (1/2"?).
    Happy kilting,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChattanCat View Post
    Hi Tess,
    Is the underapron strap on the outside of the underapron? If not, then move the unerapron strap back a little (1/2"?).
    Happy kilting,
    The underapron strap actually has to be on the outside (the tartan side) of the underapron (not on the lining side), otherwise the edge of the underapron gets in the way when you try to put the strap through the hole.
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    Yes, the underapron strap is stitched to the outside of the underapron. And
    Barb,I will try it on her and look for the clues that you suggest.
    I thank you all for your help.
    I was worried I really goofed on something in the shaping. I was getting discouraged since the last kilt (for a man) came out perfect.
    Now I keep hearing Elsie in the background telling me that she was an "Apprentice" for 5 years before she was considered a kiltmaker.That's why I keep going to kilt camps.....
    ....and I love this site because between them, you can cry for help and people come to the rescue!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan Tess View Post
    I was worried I really goofed on something in the shaping. I was getting discouraged since the last kilt (for a man) came out perfect.
    It's possible that the waist is simply too big for the hips, but you'll find that out quickly when you wrap it around her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan Tess View Post
    Yes, the underapron strap is stitched to the outside of the underapron.
    Sorry, I couldn't resist as I know you have made many kilts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan Tess View Post
    Now I keep hearing Elsie in the background telling me that she was an "Apprentice" for 5 years before she was considered a kiltmaker.That's why I keep going to kilt camps.....
    Wow, I only have a year and a half to go! WOOT!
    Wallace Catanach, Kiltmaker

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