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16th December 11, 06:31 AM
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Clergy Kilt?
I line up somewhere between the "wear what you want" and the "ONLY YOUR CLAN!" groups so I have a question about appropriateness. I really like the "Clergy" tartan and since I cannot find any "Christian" tartans that I like I thought I would go this route for occasional church wear. I am not a clergyman by any means but I do serve in the church as a musician and do my best to be a good example as an ordinary man to the youth in our church. Would it be in "poor taste" to wear this tartan as a non-frocked but unofficial but respected "leader/server" in my church or is this a grey area that no one really cares about?
Mac Newsome wrote this in a blog:
"In the case of the Clergy tartan, wearing this will imply to people that you are involved in ministry. Out of respect for those who actually are ordained clergy, most people would consider it very inapropriate for a non-minister to wear this tartan."
But I wondered if those serving in the church without being ordained would be "appropriate" as well.
If said tartan WOULD be inapropriate are there any "Christian" tartans out there. I don't care for the "Mighty Men" tartan so that one's out.
Thanks,
Hugh
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16th December 11, 06:34 AM
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Re: Clergy Kilt?
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by biblemonkey
I line up somewhere between the "wear what you want" and the "ONLY YOUR CLAN!" groups so I have a question about appropriateness. I really like the "Clergy" tartan and since I cannot find any "Christian" tartans that I like I thought I would go this route for occasional church wear. I am not a clergyman by any means but I do serve in the church as a musician and do my best to be a good example as an ordinary man to the youth in our church. Would it be in "poor taste" to wear this tartan as a non-frocked but unofficial "leader/server" in my church or is this a grey area that no one really cares about?
Mac Newsome wrote this in a blog:
"In the case of the Clergy tartan, wearing this will imply to people that you are involved in ministry. Out of respect for those who actually are ordained clergy, most people would consider it very inapropriate for a non-minister to wear this tartan."
But I wondered if those serving in the church without being ordained would be "appropriate" as well.
If said tartan WOULD be inapropriate are their any "Christian" tartans out their. I don't care for the "Mighty Men" tartan so that one's out.
Thanks,
Hugh
There's always the "Holyrood" or "St. Andrew's" tartans...
T.
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16th December 11, 06:43 AM
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Re: Clergy Kilt?
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by cajunscot
There's always the "Holyrood" or "St. Andrew's" tartans...
T.
Good call, Todd!
The St. Andrew's tartan fairly close to the Clergy tartan (and a favorite of mine).
When I had my newest kilt made, I had narrowed the tartans down to the St. Andrew's and Holyrood.
I ended up going with the Holyrood, but St. Andrew's is still on my list.
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16th December 11, 06:48 AM
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Re: Clergy Kilt?
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by cajunscot
There's always the "Holyrood" or "St. Andrew's" tartans...
T.
Isn't Holyrood the tartan of the "Royal Company of Archers"? And is St Andrews the tartan that makes a St Andrews Cross in the back?
Last edited by biblemonkey; 16th December 11 at 07:00 AM.
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16th December 11, 06:58 AM
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Re: Clergy Kilt?
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by biblemonkey
Isn't Holyrood the tartan of the "Royal Company of Archers"? And is St Andrews the tartan that makes a St Andrews Cross in the back?
http://www.lochcarron.com/reiver/ear...t_andrews.html
http://lochcarron.com/history/earl_of_st_andrews.html
ith:
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16th December 11, 07:01 AM
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Re: Clergy Kilt?
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by artificer
DARN! For some reason my browser won't open those links.
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16th December 11, 07:14 AM
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Re: Clergy Kilt?
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by biblemonkey
DARN! For some reason my browser won't open those links.
try this one
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16th December 11, 07:46 AM
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Re: Clergy Kilt?
[QUOTEThere's always the "Holyrood" or "St. Andrew's" tartans...[/QUOTE]
Holyrood -
Designed by Alistair Buchan of Lochcarron of Scotland to commemorate the Silver Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II in 1977. See also Macnaughton version. Sample in Scottish Tartans Society Johnston Collection. Additional notes from the Scottish Tartans Society say: 'Holyrood is the Scottish equivalent of Buckingham Palace, the Queen's official residence in Scotland. She is guarded by 'The Royal Company of Archers', a non military force provided by the chiefs of the clans.
St. Andrew's -
The St Andrews Heritage company was formed from North East Enterprise Trust in 1997 to brand quality Scottish products for export. When the company went out of business the University took over the tartan. It has been re-named ' University of St Andrews'.
So, one is named after a house and the other after a university - neither one is particularly religious.
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16th December 11, 07:53 AM
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Re: Clergy Kilt?
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Chas
Holyrood -
St. Andrew's -
So, one is named after a house and the other after a university - neither one is particularly religious.
Someone should the apostle Andrew, "the first-called" and patron saint of Scotland that he's "not very religious then"...
![Rofl](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
Holyrood, by the way, is Scots for "Holy Cross"; St. Margaret of Scotland reportedly brought the "Holy Rood" with her when when she married Malcolm III Canmore...but nothing religious in that name either. ![Whistle](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/whistle.gif)
BTW, Chas...the palace was built next to an Abbey of the same name:
"Holyrood Abbey was founded in 1128 by King David I for the Canons Regular of St. Augustine, who came from St. Andrews. The foundation is said to have been an act of thanksgiving for the king's miraculous escape from the horns of a hart while hunting near Edinburgh on Holy Cross Day ("rood" means "cross")."
T.
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16th December 11, 07:57 AM
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Re: Clergy Kilt?
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Chas
[QUOTEThere's always the "Holyrood" or "St. Andrew's" tartans...
Holyrood -
St. Andrew's -
So, one is named after a house and the other after a university - neither one is particularly religious.[/QUOTE]
Earl of St. Andrew's (From Locharron's Website:
A History of Earl Of St. Andrews Tartan
The tartan was designed in the early 1930s by Arthur Bottomly of Peter MacArthur Ltd in Hamilton. It was produced in honour of Prince George (then Earl of St Andrews), eldest son of the Duke and Duchess of Kent. Use of the tartan became widespread in the 1970s and its popularity has continued through the association with the town of St Andrews and consequent golfing links.
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