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Full specification of boys 1912 Highland dress
https://www.lorfordsantiques.com/sco...utfit-da518555
(See "product description".) Very over-the-top by modern standards!
Alan
Last edited by neloon; 5th July 21 at 06:11 AM.
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From the photos, the “shoulder plaid” looks very like a “fly plaid”… in 1912!
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Shoulder plaid
On the invoice it is listed as a belted plaid.
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 Originally Posted by Shinenotburn
On the invoice it is listed as a belted plaid.
In the 1950's whilst, but 13 years old I was a piper in a band situated in the Northern part of Scotland. In them days pipers were requires to wear full plaid. I was far too small for a full plaid and I had to wear a belted plaid as stated here. The drummers of the band also wore a belted plaid.
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I think a certain amount of caution is required here. Yes, what is shown in the picture is what it is and the date can, I think, be ascertained. So, so far so good. To me the outfit looks like a very lucky (an exception to the norm for a start) lad was able to wear a very smart band uniform. We should not make the mistake of assuming the" lucky" non band lad was dressed in that kind of attire and most certainly not for general day, or even evening, attire.
On viewing the additional pictures provided, I note the addition to the outfit of tartan under trews too and what is more, they are lined! Not an outfit made for the "more normal" run of the mill type of customer.
Last edited by Jock Scot; 6th July 21 at 04:53 AM.
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The plot thickens. My mind has been toying with possibilities about this kilt attire. I have just been perusing the other pictures in the first post and I note that it was sent/taken to the USA. So that opens up other possibilities. Did the "lucky young man"(LYM) come to Scotland on a holiday? Was he in Scotland with his American parents who were resident here? Did LYM emigrate? Was LYM to have a complete set of kilt attire sent to him by a doting relative who was living/visiting Scotland? Who knows?
More questions follow.
What was the purpose of the kilt attire in the USA? Was LYM a piper/bandsman? Was LYM to act as a page at some sort of smart event? A wedding for example? Or was it that the LYM was sent the outfit for him to enjoy a happy(?) time parading about in the attire? Who knows? Some one might?
Anyway an interesting thread with all sorts of questions arising from it, nevertheless.
Well done Alan.
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Originally Posted by Jock Scot
On viewing the additional pictures provided, I note the addition to the outfit of tartan under trews too and what is more, they are lined! Not an outfit made for the "more normal" run of the mill type of customer.
I believe it would have been absolutely normal for 1912. And, indeed, up until WW2, or even later in some families.
Notice that the kilt cost one pound 6 shillings and the trews were 5/6! Hopefully Mrs. Beattie pf Kilmacolm (maybe Grannnie?) was happy with her purchase.
Alan
Last edited by neloon; 6th July 21 at 08:14 AM.
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Originally Posted by jhockin
From the photos, the “shoulder plaid” looks very like a “fly plaid”…
There's a problem with plaid nomenclature, because especially nowadays people use a number terms more or less randomly when discussing several distinct plaid designs.
Every plaid is a "shoulder plaid" due to all plaids being on the shoulder in some manner.
The term "fly plaid" is little better, often used to refer to any of three distinct styles of plaid.
Starting around 1800 with the philamore or great kilt going out of style two utterly different sorts of plaids emerged in civilian and military Highland Dress
1) Belted plaid. This complex garment was fringed all around and was had a cloth belt that went round the waist, hence the name. A fringed tab passed through the epaulette where it was fixed with a brooch.
Its purpose was to, when worn with the little kilt or philabeg, simulate the appearance of the old great kilt or philamore.
2) Long plaid. This was around 3 to 4 yards of tartan fringed on both ends which was wrapped round the body. It could be worn with the kilt, trews, or riding breeches.
In the military #1 has been worn by officers in full dress (kilted) for over 200 years.
In the military #2 was worn by officers when mounted (riding breeches and riding boots) and also by pipers and certain senior sergeants (with kilts).
Both #1 and #2 were worn in civilian Highland Dress throughout the Victorian period. In the 20th century #1 won out in civilian Evening Dress with #2 becoming more and more outdated.
There was also, in the military, a third style:
3) Other Ranks plaid. This was a simplified belted plaid lacking fringe and tied to the epaulette with a ribbon. No brooch was worn. AFAIK this style never was adopted in civilian Highland Dress.
Belted plaid worn by officer with kilt
Belted plaid in civilian dress
Long plaid with riding attire, and with kilt
Long plaid in civilian dress
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