King Charles III, or something else?

[Tam Piperson]

Speaking of coronets, here's an interesting old photo of a Scottish peer attending the coronation of King George V:

[Jock Scot]

A Coronation eh? Now there is an occasion where wearing all the Highland attire "bells and whistles" going is absolutely fine-----correct(appropriate) even! How many Coronations do we get to go to? One? None? Well alright, let's go with none! So I ask, do we really need our own Highland attire so "glitzy"------even a percentage of--------- for the events that we go to? Putting the coronet aside as I think most of us would agree that is a tad over the top for our sartorial needs, it is a question that many need to ask themselves, in my humble opinion.

[Tam Piperson]

A Coronation eh? Now there is an occasion where wearing all the Highland attire bells and whistles going is absolutely fine-----correct even! How many Coronations do we get to go to? One? None? So I ask, do we really need our own Highland attire so "glitzy"------even a percentage of--------- for the events that we go to? Putting the coronet aside, it is a question that many need to ask themselves, in my humble opinion.

Back in the Victorian era when many of the traditions associated with wearing the kilt became firmly entrenched, there was an inordinate love of ornament in everyday life which can easily be observed in the gingerbread-lavished domestic architecture of the period (the Victorian phobia of anything unadorned is well known) and naturally this lent itself well to the wearing of the kilt as the nationalistic attire of Scots the world over (it was perhaps equally popular with the Scottish diaspora in America as it was with the Scots at home in Britain).

Add to that fact the convction that the love of ornament was a distinguishing feature of Celtic culture, and that there was no better example of Celtic character than the proud Highlander, who wore his worldly wealth on him, rather than investing in the notion of printed money entrusted to a bank, and there you have the cultural justification for all of the bejeweled and silver-encrusted finery that came to be associated with the wearing of the kilt in the 19th century. Even moreso given the romanticized notion of the day that the Highlander exemplified the "true Scot," while the dour Lowlanders whose Calvinsitic sensibility was looked upon with a contemptuous eye by those of Highland blood as an example of a Saxonized people who had sold their Celtic souls in order to emulate the even more contemptable character of Englishmen.

[JSFMACLJR]

Speaking of coronets, here's an interesting old photo of a Scottish peer attending the coronation of King George V:

A very interesting photograph! The keen-eyed will note that this peer ( a baron or Lord of Parliament ) is not obeying the Lord Chamberlain's Dress Regulations for Court: he is not wearing a plaid!

Do you have any idea who this is?

[JSFMACLJR]

Actually, Garrards, the Crown Jewelers, maintain a stock of peer's coronets for just such occasions.

And I seem to recall that Moss Bros, Ede & Ravenscroft, and some theatrical costumers supplied robes for peers in 1953.

[Jock Scot]

Personal flair at work Sandy?

[JSFMACLJR]

Of course! And a bit of a rebellious streak, too!

[Tam Piperson]

A very interesting photograph! The keen-eyed will note that this peer ( a baron or Lord of Parliament ) is not obeying the Lord Chamberlain's Dress Regulations for Court: he is not wearing a plaid!

Do you have any idea who this is?

I'm not sure who he is, judging from the light overstripes on the dark tartan he might possibly be a Forbes or a Gordon. I do note that he appears to be wearing a Prince Charlie style coatee, rather than the more usual regulation doublet of the period, which makes the cross belt and dirk belt look somewhat out of place.

[Pleater]

The Royal school of Needlework creates the robes gowns etc. required, sometimes they work from old designs and patterns from their archives if something has been damaged, lost or sometimes even stolen.

There is a bit about the robes and gowns for the last Coronation here;
http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.co.u...tion-gown.html

Where possible fabric and materials are sourced from within the UK, or failing that within the Commonwealth or Empire (there are still bits of Empire left).

Some durable items, crowns for instance, are reused, but they might be refurbished with new trimmings and support system so that they fit securely, or are able to accommodate a Queen's hairstyle or smaller/larger head than the last time they were used.

Anne the Pleater :ootd:

[McClef]

All this talk about Charles being passed over in favour of William is Constitutional nonsense.

Nobody, not even the Queen, can disinherit the Heir Apparent (and indeed in the past there have been Monarchs who would happily have disinherited their eldest son if they could).

Assuming that he is still alive when Her Majesty draws her last breath, he becomes King at that very moment. So even if he did wish to stand down it would still take some time and a period of national morning would not be the appropriate time to do this. An instrument of Abdication and an Act of Parliament to put this into effect would be required.

So Charles would still require a name even if he only intended to be a temporary Monarch.