Can ChatGPT be used to identify a tartan?

[jsrnephdoc]

In May, I attended the NYC Tartan Day parade. Before the parade started, I watched a few pipe bands and some Scottish Folk Singers prepare in a park just south of the main parade route in central Manhattan. One of the vocal entertainers was wearing a lovely yellow/black/grey tartan kilt and fly plaid with an Argyll jacket. I would love to know what tartan he was wearing. I tried capturing an image from a YouTUBE video of the singer's performance, but I'm unable to paste a JPEG screen capture from the video into a post here.

So, I'm wondering if ChatGPT could come to my rescue. Ive read that one can take pictures of articles of clothing and the LLM engine will identify the maker and model of the article of clothing. I wonder if anyone has experience doing that with tartan.

Here's a YouTube video I found of that tenor singing in the park. Perhaps someone here might recognize the tartan. The singer's performance begins about 12 minutes into the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFxtu6sgdeY

Thanks so much

[geomick]

I think you will need to make "kiltGPT" and train it with the knowledge of Peter MacDonald

[kilted2000]

I took some screenshots from the video and asked ChatGPT. No real help. It said Buchanan Modern was most likely, but clearly that’s not it.

I’m a software engineer and I’ve been looking for a project to explore LLMs like ChatGPT. Maybe I'll be the one to build KiltGPT

[OC Richard]

I don't think it's any traditional tartan, but a modern "fashion" tartan.

As we know these are being invented and woven seemingly on a weekly basis.

So even if you had a tartan database it couldn't be updated quickly enough to keep up.

Some online kilt shops and some weavers' sites have a thing where you can search tartans by colour. That's where I would start.

https://clan.com/tartan/browse/sort/...ows/noindex/1/

[jsrnephdoc]

I think you will need to make "kiltGPT" and train it with the knowledge of Peter MacDonald

Taking advice from a true fountain of wisdom (Obi Wan Kenobi), this morning I remembered his "there IS no TRY, there is only DO."

So, I DID just visit the ChatGPT Website and showed its LLM the JPEG I'd snapped from a video while spinning on the exercise bike yesterday.

Less than a five seconds later, the bot responded with the correct answer: "Loud Macleod, or "MacLeod of Lewis"

I was SO amazed I decided to confirm the bot's intuition by checking the Scottish Registry of Tartans. The input "MacLeod" returned MANY choices, but none of them what I'd seen on the singer. However, when I input "MacLeod of Lewis" it revealed what I'd seen, but also besmirched my sense of good taste, noting that it was one of the "from thin air" creations of the Sobieski Stewarts!

[Jock Scot]

Taking advice from a true fountain of wisdom (Obi Wan Kenobi), this morning I remembered his "there IS no TRY, there is only DO."

So, I DID just visit the ChatGPT Website and showed its LLM the JPEG I'd snapped from a video while spinning on the exercise bike yesterday.

Less than a five seconds later, the bot responded with the correct answer: "Loud Macleod, or "MacLeod of Lewis"

I was SO amazed I decided to confirm the bot's intuition by checking the Scottish Registry of Tartans. The input "MacLeod" returned MANY choices, but none of them what I'd seen on the singer. However, when I input "MacLeod of Lewis" it revealed what I'd seen, but also besmirched my sense of good taste, noting that it was one of the "from thin air" creations of the Sobieski Stewarts!

Whatever the history of the MacLeod of Lewis tartan may be, many MacLeods of Harris used to wear the MacLeod of Lewis as their "dress" tartan. I am not sure if they still do, as I don't do formal events these days. But my Grand Father and Father used to wear it on very formal occasions. I on the other hand usually wore the MacLeod of Harris for formal events as well as everyday attire and I understand, that many make that choice these days.

[figheadair]

Taking advice from a true fountain of wisdom (Obi Wan Kenobi), this morning I remembered his "there IS no TRY, there is only DO."

So, I DID just visit the ChatGPT Website and showed its LLM the JPEG I'd snapped from a video while spinning on the exercise bike yesterday.

Less than a five seconds later, the bot responded with the correct answer: "Loud Macleod, or "MacLeod of Lewis"

I was SO amazed I decided to confirm the bot's intuition by checking the Scottish Registry of Tartans. The input "MacLeod" returned MANY choices, but none of them what I'd seen on the singer. However, when I input "MacLeod of Lewis" it revealed what I'd seen, but also besmirched my sense of good taste, noting that it was one of the "from thin air" creations of the Sobieski Stewarts!

If you're saying that ChatGTP identified this as MacLeod then it's wrong and the diagnosis is a fine example of the maxim Rubbish In-Rubbish Out.

The tartan is Ayrshire Gold, a 2023 fashion design by Clyde Kilts, an Ayrshire based retailer.



As if one wasn't bad enough, they also do an Ayrshire Silver.

[bookish]

AI can only reproduce what it's trained on, and how well the training is managed so that it produces statistically relevant responses. I doubt a general or generative AI can produce positive ID of a tartan. I would also be careful about what training data you supply a tartan AI. The real meat of tartan is the sett threadcount and color definition.

I don't know if the tartan register creates pixel-perfect renderings of tartan for their website or not. Certainly not with the small thumbail images. You can get images from vendors and weavers. I wouldn't necessarily trust exact threadcounts from those images, either. So, quality training data needs to be secured.

My 2 cents.

[jsrnephdoc]

AI can only reproduce what it's trained on, and how well the training is managed so that it produces statistically relevant responses. I doubt a general or generative AI can produce positive ID of a tartan. I would also be careful about what training data you supply a tartan AI. The real meat of tartan is the sett threadcount and color definition.

Akin to the "abilty" of a phone to recognize recorded music, where the recognition is actually of a digital and inaudible code into the music that the "listening" device can recognize.

Thanks for that.

[bookish]

Akin to the "abilty" of a phone to recognize recorded music, where the recognition is actually of a digital and inaudible code into the music that the "listening" device can recognize.

Thanks for that.

I wanted to highlight that there are different tools within the AI sphere. General and Generative are their own sets within that sphere. I'm a novice, so of course, check me on that with reliable sources that aren't selling you on the "magic" of AI. I am also biased against AI for philosophical and economic reasons, so, do consider my bias as well. I discourage people using AI for simple answers to questions. I encourage people to use AI to create assistance in learning and internalizing how to learn to answer questions themselves. I'll step off my soapbox, here. I'll also note that I am not trying to criticize you for testing out Chat GPTs capabilities, here, and that my bias may come off as criticism. You don't know what something can do until you've tried it.

If tartan identifying was something you were interested in from a software product, I'd think that there are machine learning models out there that will get a software engineer up and running and training on sets of images. I just wouldn't trust General and Generative AI agents like Chat GPT on something as specific and niche as tartan.