kilt lifters

[Magnus Sporrano]

It's happened to all of us who have spent time kilted in pubs. I'm curious how some of you handle it.

Your just standing there minding your own business, when someone comes and...

...it's a woman, lifting the back of your kilt.
...it's a woman, lifting the front of your kilt.
...it's a man, lifting the back of your kilt.
...it's a man, lifting the front of your kilt.

When women lift the back of my kilt, I don't personally get too bent. I do make a mental note of who did it, though, because I don't particularly want to spend any time with them or give them any positive attention.

I do get pretty PO'd when someone tries to lift the front, or if a man tries to lift the back.

I was talking to a woman tonight, keeping the mystery alive when asked "the question", and much to my dismay a good friend of mine who couldn't handle his ale thought it would be funny to simply hoist my apron up over my chest and give her a full view. I was fuming mad. I think if this had been any of my Tier 2 friends or lower, it would surely have been a brawl. I'm still trying to sort out if I ever want to go drinking with this guy again because of this.

[Rob Wright]

This is a tough one Magnus, I did have a friend lift the back of my kilt in the bar one night, but we're old school buddy's and have been pulling all kinds of stuff on each other so it wasn't that big of a surprise to me. I've never had a woman lift the front of my kilts, more often than not I get somebody rubbing their hands on my legs, than a kilt lift.
Personally Iwould have a talk with the "good buddy" and proceed from ther.

Rob

[GMan]

Magnus,

What you experienced is why I avoid even some of my dearet friends when they do not practice moderation while drinking, as you found out the hard way that the alcohol is controlling their actions.

As Rob suggested sit down and have a very heart to heart with this friend, and tell him that this is very unacceptable. It only diminishes both of you.

Take the upper road.

[Rigged]

I was at a street faire with my wife. We were standing on the sidewalk watching people dance in the street to a live band.

A young lady and her entourage crossed the street and the young lady knelt down in front of me and peeked under my kilt.

She didn't expose me to public view, just satisfied her own curiosity.

I guess someone must have told her, "Good girls ask. Bad girls find out for themselves."

I looked down and asked, "OK?" She gave me a thumbs up and reply with a cheeful, "OK!" Then, she and her group disappeared into the crowd.

My wife thought it was pretty funny. I wished I knew about kilts when I was 18.

[Aaron]

That's a tough one Magnus. A freind acting inappropriately is still acting inappropriately, booze or no booze.

We all have freinds that could be forgiven just about anything. And then there are the ones that may have received a quick introduction to the floor after a stunt like that. You're the only one able to judge this one.

[philibeg]

The best lifting I experienced was in Glasgow, on Sauchiehall street of all places. An attractive young lady and 3 brawny lads (one of whom was holding her hand...a boyfriend?) were walking towards me. The lass skipped foward with hands outstretched, darted behind and lifted my kilt. She gave her mates a thumbs up and there was a universal cheer. Hurray for the honour of Scotland! It was done very cheerfully and I wasn't at all offended. However, a young lady of my acquaintance lifted up my apron once, while I was at a party, exposing me to her friends. I was so disgusted that I went home......lifting the back I can take, if its done with a light heart. Lifting the front is just insulting.

[Aaron]

philibeg wrote:

However, a young lady of my acquaintance lifted up my apron once, while I was at a party, exposing me to her friends. I was so disgusted that I went home......lifting the back I can take, if its done with a light heart. Lifting the front is just insulting.

Excellent point. That's a prime example of the difference between a quick, discreet peek to satisfy the curiosity, and someone exposing you to the room so they can get their kicks and a cheap laugh. Different motives, different outcomes.

[Magnus Sporrano]

The quick peeks from behind don't bother me really.

The apron lifts and exposure really get my blood boiling though.

The guy that did it last night is someone that I've never showed anything but deep respect and admiration for. He is a true war hero, one of the Rangers who walked out of Mogadishu with bullets in him while dragging his dead best friend out. It was a real betrayal to me of that admiration and respect. He is also a co-worker, and this was an after-work event that we were actually directed by upper management to attend.

I think that had this been any other friend, he probably would have gotten a solid shot to the jaw. Given who it was, I was even more disappointed than I was PO'd.

I get "checked" all the time in pubs. No worries. But the front apron lifts really get my blood boiling, moreso when it's a guy doing it.

I've decided that my co-workers can't seem to handle excessive drinking, and as much as I love some of these guys if they can't handle the alcohol I really don't want to go out drinking with them.

[Magnus Sporrano]

What you experienced is why I avoid even some of my dearet friends when they do not practice moderation while drinking, as you found out the hard way that the alcohol is controlling their actions.

As you know, the Philly area has some great kilt night action from time to time. When I meet up with the fellow Xmarks crew, a good portion of us throw moderation out the window early on in the evening. But it's never anything but good fun, and no guys are exposing each other or disrespecting the kilt. I love hanging out with the Xmarks crew for that reason and others.

[Uncle Ricky]

I'm scratching my head over this thread.
I'm all for a bit of good natured fun, but I really have to question the upbringing and morals of anyone who thinks it's fun to lift someones skirts for a wee peek. Such people place themselves on the same moral plane as street walkers. Women who do this should be roundly chastised, and men should be sent to the hospital.
I hate to sound prudish, but if you think it's fun, then I think you place yoursef on that same moral plane too.
No self respecting woman would EVER allow anyone, (particularly in public), to do such a thing unchallenged and neither should you.
And don't worry about what they may think of you for defending yourself. They have already demonstrated what they think of you.