Enough is Enough

[Freedomlover]

I think the original poster was venting some steam regarding people who don't ask and just peek.

That was the general thrust. It slid by some folks.

But the actual laying of hands on someone without asking?

Not acceptable no matter what you're wearing.

And that is the entire point.

[Colin]

Thank you. You get it. One or two here just don't.

That sounds alot like "One or Two don't see it the same as me". If that's the case, I am suprised that they need to lift the kilt, what with you sitting on that high horse and all.

I don't encourage kilt checks, but in the same time if a nice looking girl wants to sneak a peak at one of my fat hairy *** cheeks, than it's her misfortune

[Colin]

Many women like to flash their tits, but that doesn't mean all women want to or should feel obligated to.

Encouraging kilt checks in the name of fun, actually leads to the view that all of us kilt wearers are just deviants, wanting to flash. Personally I want to wear a kilt because it is comfortable, practical and I look good. While I realize that it is outside of the cultural norm, I would prefer not to be looked at like I'm a pervert for wearing it. And frankly that is how many people see us.

Adam

Kind of a contradiction there Adam. If we are to assume that just because some women flash their breasts at men that not all women partake in this attitude, than why would people assume that one person in a kilt that wasn't offended by a kilt check means that all kilt wearers are deviants. Isn't that the same situation just with opposite sexes?

[Freedomlover]

As I said, some people just don't get it. That's fine: it bothers me not.

[Colin]

As I said, some people just don't get it. That's fine: it bothers me not.

Now I get it! "If you aren't with us, that means you're against us" right?

[Raphael]

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[Freedomlover]

Now I get it! "If you aren't with us, that means you're against us" right?

Nope. And no straightforward critical analysis of my comments could reach that conclusion.

[arrogcow]

Kind of a contradiction there Adam. If we are to assume that just because some women flash their breasts at men that not all women partake in this attitude, than why would people assume that one person in a kilt that wasn't offended by a kilt check means that all kilt wearers are deviants. Isn't that the same situation just with opposite sexes?

People see us and say, "That guy is wearing a kilt, and guys like that dont wear underwear." Already marking us as "deviant" to many. Add to that guys that laugh off when strangers lift the kilt to look, and it adds to that impression.

Or more simply going back to Bear's original quote

Second, many men like kilt checks and there is a very well known and encouraged mystique about what's up the kilt that could be considered flirtatious.

There are women out there that wouldn't mind being skirt checked (believe me I know some), but that doesn't make it socially acceptable for me to go around doing it randomly.

Again the "Mystique" that Bear mentions as being flirtations (by some) is also considered perverted (again by some). I for one would rather society accept me as a guy in a kilt, not the fiend in a kilt.

Adam

[Colin]

People see us and say, "That guy is wearing a kilt, and guys like that dont wear underwear." Already marking us as "deviant" to many. Add to that guys that laugh off when strangers lift the kilt to look, and it adds to that impression.

Or more simply going back to Bear's original quote

There are women out there that wouldn't mind being skirt checked (believe me I know some), but that doesn't make it socially acceptable for me to go around doing it randomly.

Again the "Mystique" that Bear mentions as being flirtations (by some) is also considered perverted (again by some). I for one would rather society accept me as a guy in a kilt, not the fiend in a kilt.

Adam

I see your point, but I would like to think that people judge and remember others not just for their clothing choices, but also for their personality. To use the flashing women, I for one don't look at the next women in a blouse and assume she must be the same as the women in the blouse that was part of the bachelorette party that flashed me.

Maybe it comes down to geographics, but where I live, people would likely not think of you as a deviant because they thought you may not be wearing underwear, so I can only speak for my environment. We know that some areas of the US are more conservative and reserved (that's not a bad thing) and the west coast of Canada is closer to a European way of thinking. Maybe that's the difference.

And as per the original question of the post, I can't say that I have ever met anyone that encouraged a kilt check, but I have met a few people that will roll with an unexpected kilt check. Of course, different behaviour for different places. I would never expect to get kilt checked at a Robbie Burn's night, but the pub downtown....possibly. In terms of how a "self-respecting" man can allow a kilt check to happen, in my books, self-respecting also means confident, self-assured, and comfortable with oneself.

[Iolaus]

And as per the original question of the post, I can't say that I have ever met anyone that encouraged a kilt check, but I have met a few people that will roll with an unexpected kilt check. Of course, different behaviour for different places. I would never expect to get kilt checked at a Robbie Burn's night, but the pub downtown....possibly. In terms of how a "self-respecting" man can allow a kilt check to happen, in my books, self-respecting also means confident, self-assured, and comfortable with oneself.

Whether or not I wear anything under the kilt is a flip of the coin, unless I'm going somewhere that might result in a kilt check (like a bar, or a party), then it's definitely "sans undies"; I wouldn't want to disappoint tradition!