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                                                17th June 07, 01:19 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					And of course you all know that a chequered band around a Balmoral or Glengarry signifies allegiance to the British crown. Maybe want to get the scissors out.
				 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                17th June 07, 03:45 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					I wonder if all these ancient meanings of ribbons and checkered bands on Balmorals are widely known these days.
 I never knew that they had a history of significance until I joined this forum despite all my experience of Scotland.
  
 So the chances of being challenged as a single Hanoverian when I wear mine are somewhat remote.  Wear it how you want to!
   [B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.
 Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
 (Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                17th June 07, 05:05 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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			dicing...
		
			
				
					
	Phil,
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Phil   And of course you all know that a chequered band around a Balmoral or Glengarry signifies allegiance to the British crown. Maybe want to get the scissors out. 
 I have heard that line for years and years, and yet I have never been able to find a single "authoritative" source to confirm it -- not all of the Highland regiments of the British Army wore diced glengarries, so that kind of kills the theory anyway.
 
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 Todd
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                17th June 07, 10:53 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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			Diced or Not
		
			
				
					Take a look at the eleventh paragraph down at this website for a reading on the diced look.  http://www.scottish-history.com/kilt.shtml
 Over all the author has an interesting article to read.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                17th June 07, 11:12 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Notice that she doesn't provide any footnotes, sources, works cited, etc.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Don Patrick   I am familiar with this author's work, and there are several in the Scottish-American community who question her reliability. I wouldn't rely too much on this artilce. Our own Matt Newsome is a far better scholar when it comes to Highland attire, and that is an understatement!
  
 But, we history teachers tend to get picky when it comes to citing sources. :mrgreen:
 
 T.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                17th June 07, 11:59 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Here's another interesting article on dicing.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glengarry
				 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                17th June 07, 12:02 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Don,
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Don Patrick   
 I think you'll find a better site at:
 
 www.albanach.org
 
 The Wiki on glengarries does list some sources, but you'll notice this comment:
 
 
 
	Notice no mention of the dicing determining "loyalty" to the British Crown. If that was the case, then the Black Watch, the senior Highland regiment, would have worn dicing on their bonnets and later glengarries -- the RHR wore plain bonnets.
		
			
			
				The style of dicing on the side of the cap was a means of identifying different regiments.
			
		 
 Regards,
 
 Todd
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                17th June 07, 12:05 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Just noticed this article on the web - though it might be of iterest.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmoral_bonnet
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                17th June 07, 12:19 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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			Good Web Site
		
			
				
					
	
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by cajunscot   Don, 
I think you'll find a better site at:
www.albanach.org 
The Wiki on glengarries does list some sources, but you'll notice this comment:
 
Notice no mention of the dicing determining "loyalty" to the British Crown. If that was the case, then the Black Watch, the senior Highland regiment, would have worn dicing on their bonnets and later glengarries -- the RHR wore plain bonnets.
 
Regards,
 
Todd Todd,
 
 This is an incredible web site.  I can see I'll be spending some time exploring it.  Thanks for the direction,
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                17th June 07, 12:40 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	The site touted by Todd happens to be the one put together by our own Matt Newsome.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Don Patrick   Todd,
 This is an incredible web site.  I can see I'll be spending some time exploring it.  Thanks for the direction,
 
	
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
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