HRH at Greenville Games

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

The Baron of Inneryne and the Baron of Cowdenknowes were also wearing kilts.

The order of dress amongst "the lads" was kilts during the day, trews in the evening.

Both Caithness and Inneryne remained kilted throughout the day.

[JSFMACLJR]

The Baron of Inneryne and the Baron of Cowdenknowes were also wearing kilts."

Of course you know they aren't peers, but merely holders of feudal baronies

[AcuteEnigma]

Of course you know they aren't peers, but merely holders of feudal baronies

I do not know the difference. All I know is they had feathers in their hats and got to sit on the stage and, for some reason, they all really liked the tent next to the Clan Sinclair tent even though our tent was 5 times as large.

Hmmmmm.


Feudalism, where its your Count that votes.

[Lallans]

{snip}

Feudalism, where its your Count that votes.

Most excellent quote of the day.

[thescot]

. . .Feudalism, where its your Count that votes.

Dang, that was a good one.

I do not know the difference either. I do know that if they are not peers, they cannot sit in the House of Lords. And I guess they're not considered equals amongst the . . . whatever the real peers should be called. Nobels, I guess.

Kind of like Duke Ellington, I suppose.

[davidlpope]

All I know is they had feathers in their hats and got to sit on the stage and, for some reason, they all really liked the tent next to the Clan Sinclair tent even though our tent was 5 times as large.

Hmmmmm.

You sound a bit miffed. What's your gripe?

David

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Generally speaking:

NOBLES: are those individuals who possess a coat-of-arms granted or confirmed by a sovereign power.

TITLED NOBILITY: are those nobles who posses a title granted or confirmed by a sovereign power.

PEERS: (in the UK only) those nobles who currently sit as members of the House of Lords, the upper chamber of the British parliamentary system.

In Great Britain the titled nobility is composed of the following ranks (in ascending order): Baron, Viscount, Earl, Marquis, Duke, Prince, and Sovereign. (There is a sort of half-step between the knightage [those individuals the Sovereign has chosen to favour with the dignity of knighthood] and the other titled nobles known as Baronets. These individuals are entitled to the hereditary right to prefix their name with the honourific "Sir", with precedence over knights bachelors, but after barons seated in parliament.)

When Scotland and England became united, all Scottish titled nobles were granted a seat in Parliament. This included all of the Scottish feudal barons, who were great in number. To prevent the Scots from having a majority in the newly constituted House of Lords, it was decided that the feudal barons would come together in convention and elect from among themselves representative "Lords of Parliament".

Those not elected (and many chose to have nothing to do with the system of joint rule) retained their styles and dignities as barons. Because, at the time, Scotland was a strictly feudal country (and in some ways remained so until the present century) all baronies (and some superior titles-- that of Earl, for instance) were subject to feudal law which allowed them to be "freely disposed of" at the whim of the holder as they were, again until quite recently, tied to a specific piece of land.

Interestingly, those titled nobles who have now been deprived of their hereditary right to a seat in the House of Lords are no longer, in the strictest sense, "Peers", but rather have reverted to the status of titled nobles, in much the same way their continental counterparts comprise a similar social class in their own country.

As an aside, Scotland is not alone in having a feudal baronage as the practice existed in England and Ireland as well, examples being the Barony of Alton (as distinct from a manorial "lordship") in England, and the Barony of Slane, in Ireland. On the continent, and especially in France (from which the system of titled nobility was imported into the whole of the British Isles) the foundation of all titles of nobility is a feudal holding, ie: the possession of a feudal barony.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I do not know the difference. All I know is they had feathers in their hats and got to sit on the stage and, for some reason, they all really liked the tent next to the Clan Sinclair tent even though our tent was 5 times as large.

Hmmmmm.

For purely organizational reasons all of the "feathered chappies" from up on the stage were asked to flock together so that they could be easily located, if needed.

As I recall the "big tent" was Clan Sinclair, whose chief, the Earl of Caithness, was honoured chief of the games. The next tent was Clan Boyle then Clan MacMillan. Boyle had more "vacant space" than either of it's neighbors, so Way of Plean and Squire of Rubislaw (both members of clan MacMillan by bonds of manrent) along with Harden of Cowdenknowes, pitched up there, while my wife and I took shelter from the sun with "oor ain folks" in the MacMillan tent next door (if clan tents can be considered to have doors ).

[Peter C.]

Well, not quite. When The Duke of Edinburgh visited my school in Toronto in 1969, he came to my class-room, which I can assure you was not freshly painted.

In the mid 1980's, I was the Executive Assistant to the Secretary of State of Canada, and as such was involved in the planning of several Royal Tours of the Dominion. Of course great care was taken in the planning and choreography of the several events, but this was in the 20th century, and not in the Royal Courts of England and France in the 17th century. Sure things were freshly painted and scrubbed clean, just like you would do in the event of a special guest visiting your home. The Royal Family really are human, you know.

Well said.

Prince Edward and Sophie ran a television production company. I don't know if they still do but at the time they worked just like everybody else, and with who ever it was necessary to work with.

Peter

[AcuteEnigma]

For purely organizational reasons all of the "feathered chappies" from up on the stage were asked to flock together so that they could be easily located, if needed.

As I recall the "big tent" was Clan Sinclair, whose chief, the Earl of Caithness, was honoured chief of the games. The next tent was Clan Boyle then Clan MacMillan. Boyle had more "vacant space" than either of it's neighbors, so Way of Plean and Squire of Rubislaw (both members of clan MacMillan by bonds of manrent) along with Harden of Cowdenknowes, pitched up there, while my wife and I took shelter from the sun with "oor ain folks" in the MacMillan tent next door (if tents can be considered to have doors ).

Ah, I see. I just assumed it was something liquid the Lady of the Tent was serving.

;-)

It was very cool to have them all next to us!

Thank you for your definitions too. You have cleared up several questions I had but may I ask one more? There are people who have arms created. They have traced their ancestry back to Scotland and then arms are created for those ancestors and now the current person gets arms after paying certain fees. Is this person now considered nobility?