very surprised at the reaction at church.

**Tiny** · 27th July 10, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by xman

Discrimination. How Christian.

Actually its "Discrimination. How Human." Closed minds can be found everywhere. Do not judge an entire faith by one closed minded person.

To the OP I might look at other churches in the area. If this is the mindset of one of the leaders of your congregation are you sure he is sending the right message for your children?

**macwilkin** · 27th July 10, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by piperdbh

In answer to the OP, no, I've never had that happen. If you wanted to push the issue, you could ask the bishop for some sort of document supporting his forbidding the kilt, either in the B of M or D and C. I doubt he'll be able to find them, since Joseph and Brigham probably didn't encounter many kilties.

I have seen a picture of a Scottish immigrant & Mormon convert wearing full Highland kit, complete with pipes. The gentleman was a survivor of the Steamboat Saluda explosion near Lexington, Missouri in the 1850's. Fernec Szasz also documents the Scottish community in Utah in the late 19th century in his book, Scots in the North American West.

T.

**dutchy kilted** · 27th July 10, 09:29 PM

How sad. I would think any religious leader would be happy to see a 12-year old boy wanting to go to Church, not matter what they are wearing.

I have only ever gotten compliments while wearing a kilt to my church (Unitarian Universalist) and have gotten compaints when I show up in pants.

I can only hope that the bishop would be willing to explain his stance so that he doesn't drive your son away from attending church.

**Downunder Kilt** · 27th July 10, 09:31 PM

Never realised that in order to receive Jesus into you life you had to follow a code of dress. I guess Jesus and the disciples would not have been allowed in your sons congregation either. What is the world comming to?

**xman** · 27th July 10, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tiny

Actually its "Discrimination. How Human." Closed minds can be found everywhere. Do not judge an entire faith by one closed minded person.

With you I agree entirely. I judge individuals on their merit and deeds and my comment was in reference to that individual. I did not mean to imply otherwise. Perhaps I should have said nothing as my great grandfather would have recommended under circumstances, "If you have nothing nice to say ...".

Peace and Love always,

X

**Tiny** · 27th July 10, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by xman

With you I agree entirely. I judge individuals on their merit and deeds and my comment was in reference to that individual. I did not mean to imply otherwise. Perhaps I should have said nothing as my great grandfather would have recommended under circumstances, "If you have nothing nice to say ...".

Peace and Love always,

X

No issue there. subtle undertones or sarcasm are very hard to read in text. I just wanted to be clear that it was an issue with that congregations leader not the faith as a whole.

I had the same concerns the first time I attended church kilted. I had heard and read some horror stories about Baptists and kilts. Thankfuly my first time went much smoother then expected thanks in part to my parents who I am sure had mentioned to many in the congregation about my taking to full time kilt wearing about a year ago.

**xman** · 27th July 10, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tiny

I just wanted to be clear that it was an issue with that congregations leader not the faith as a whole.

Yes, my 'issue' with faith is a separate matter, but I think we are getting dangerously close to breaking forum decorum so I will ask that we put it to bed now.

**CDNSushi** · 27th July 10, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by jeremy j starche

"Jeremy, the Spirit may be trying to talk to a visitor during the service. Seeing you in kilt may be enough of a distraction that that message doesn't get through."

<sigh> To which my stock answer would be, "If the Spirit is incapable of overcoming a mere mortal in a kilt and reach someone IN SPITE of me, then it's not much of a Spirit, is it? If the power of God requires YOUR assistance to move, then I would have some serious doubts whether you are, in fact, entertaining the Spirit of God or your OWN spirit..."

**grizzbass** · 27th July 10, 11:19 PM

thanks for all the replies. Just to fill in some of the details. He objects to the Kilt because he says it's like wearing an old base ball cap and dirty sweat shirt to sacrament. While he's not a bad man he isn't willing to listen. A bit of the god's representative has spoken. obey. His son rebelled and I think that has something to do with it. Cameron is the sweatest kid there is, intelligent, respectful and obediant but that doesn't seem to matter. His older brother (17) has had some problems with the bishop and alot of the congregation earlier. Not that he is rebellious. anything but rebellious. I have taught him to think for himself and do things because he believes it is right not because someone in authority tells him to. He is respectful but doesn't just doesn't say how high when told to jump.
That doesn't go over well and I think he wants to nip this in the bud before cameron is like his brother. He even took cameron in his office to give him a "blessing" so cameron could understand why wearing a kilt is bad. He did it without my permission or consulting me. I admit that angered me and we will discuss that.
At least my sons and I are haveing fun.

**Nighthawk** · 27th July 10, 11:24 PM

Oh gods... Rev. Travis is taking his pulpit...

OK, Grizz, first, you need to find a new church. What kind of stupid, closed minded a**hole forbids people from coming to church? How is that in any way Godly?

And second- what is this "it's too much of a distraction" crap? If you're so fixated on something like an article of clothing that for an entire hour you miss everything else that's going on, then you have bigger issues than just missing the message! You need to seek therapy! Other people childish OCD hangups are not my problem. If I had to worry about something offending, distracting or otherwise bothering people, I'd never leave the house! Someone somewhere is going to get offended by something I do. So why worry about it? I have every right to wear my kilt- I grew up with it, it was good enough for generations of my family to live and die in- why is it not good enough for you? What makes you so special that you can tell me how to dress?

By the way, I am an ordained Celtic pagan minister. I'd love to sit down for 10 minutes with your "pastor." Any clergyman who uses his authority to dominate others disgusts me... or did I make that clear enough...? We're here to guide; not run you around by your nose.