thank you Richrail, I am looking at the USA kilts right now, but still have many questions, I cant seem to find the tartan that I like, but I could settle for about 3 or 4. I have email them and got a response, but not to informative. I am trying for a formal outfit or kilt. Still not convinced entirely on the type of fabric, although wool probably is the best avenue. I thought the fly plaid dressed up some, but I see your point, my wife agrees with you and she usually is right here. As for the $15 price, I was being sarcastic to a sarcastic price I was quoted. I don't want to offend anyone but they cannot convince me that a hand stitched kilt is any more valuable that a machine stitched where all the stitches are the same with the same tension. But I leave that to each individual. Again, I have a problem ordering something I cant see and feel. I have learned over the years, that you cant trust anyone or place where money is involved, they will get you every time. Larry