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26th March 16, 10:10 PM
#12
 Originally Posted by Downunder Kilt
Mike S, if tradition does not interest you,fine, do what you want but please don't poo,poo it for everyone BTW I did not say or imply that the paternal line is the only way to your clan, but it is the traditional, Sure if you cannot find a paternal link then a maternal link is just as traditional, but not to collect a bunch of clans as you apparently believe. As to whom can become Lord of the Isles, a Duke,a Earl, Chief of a clan, then I suggest you acquaint yourself with the laws ofthe U.K.,Laws of Heraldry of England and and Scotland, Cheers
I'm fully familiar with the history and customs from centuries ago regarding this topic, and am not in need of any tutelage. My statement and opinions regarding the curious attitude embraced by some in this day and age, and obsolete prerequisites, stands. It apparently ruffled some feathers for some reason, judging by your rather barbed commentary directed at me. As I mentioned, the 21st century interest is in preserving and celebrating the history and memory of one's ancestors, a single clan or many as it finds you, and not as you incorrectly and superciliously phrase it "Collecting a bunch of clans". I have more than sufficient ancestry on both sides to the degree that this argument is purely of an academic nature to me in either instance.
Frankly, most of us who are of Scottish ancestry are the product of common clansmen (where applicable), and not the noblemen who ruled them. The finer points of genetic descendancy were lost upon our progenitors anyway. Clans were originally feudal armies more than actual blood relatives, and the assumption of common surnames was a mere sign of allegiance for most.
FYI,
Regarding descent through the maternal line for clan affiliation, chieftainship, AND heraldic title, one need look no further that our own Countess of Sutherland, and the future heir to the Earldom and chieftainship, Alistair Charles St Clair Sutherland, Lord Strathnaver. Their separation from the Duke of Sutherland title currently is an entirely different kettle of fish mind you.
Anyhoo,
It is typical of our ilk that one can barely say "hello" without it turning into a controversy and blood feud. Along similar lines, a friend of mine from Dornoch once jokingly commented that "The Scots would walk across a desert barefooted just to deliver some bad news". Funny AND true.
I've expressed my thoughts on the matter fully. Carry on, and happy Easter.
Last edited by Mike S; 27th March 16 at 08:35 AM.
My Clans: Guthrie, Sinclair, Sutherland, MacRae, McCain-Maclachlan, MacGregor-Petrie, Johnstone, Hamilton, Boyd, MacDonald-Alexander, Patterson, Thompson. Welsh:Edwards, Williams, Jones. Paternal line: Brandenburg/Prussia.
Proud member: SCV/Mech Cav, MOSB.
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