Yellow tourie preferred?

[macwilkin]

Your welcome. You need to post a picture.

Frank

Unfortunately I didn't get one on Saturday -- I'll try again very soon!

T.

[Bugbear]

No worries Harold , and as to the yellow colour you like, I agree with Jock, wear what you personally prefer. I just get a little irked by the suggestion that Scotland (a country never successfully invaded and held in it's history) is subjugated by England.

I'm not an historian. How does what Cromwell did to Scotland not count as being invaded and held?

Just wondering, not trying to argue.

And from my post that is being quoted, I also notice the man being described has a beard. I wonder how common that might have been in the Highlands and Islands? The date for that quote is 1773, James Boswell.

[Dale Seago]

I'm not an historian. How does what Cromwell did to Scotland not count as being invaded and held?

Just wondering, not trying to argue.

I'm guessing that would be a result of the Union of the Crowns in 1603. It's difficult to "invade" what is, at least semantically, one's own country.

[Bugbear]

I'm guessing that would be a result of the Union of the Crowns in 1603. It's difficult to "invade" what is, at least semantically, one's own country.

Well... ok. It's a little confusing, though...

[Peter Crowe]

I'm not an historian. How does what Cromwell did to Scotland not count as being invaded and held?

Just wondering, not trying to argue.

And from my post that is being quoted, I also notice the man being described has a beard. I wonder how common that might have been in the Highlands and Islands? The date for that quote is 1773, James Boswell.

To answer your question the Cromwellian invasion of Scotland, like that much earlier by Edward I could not be sustained and lasted for a finite amount of time, that is what I meant by not being held. As soon as General Monck (later the Duke of Albemarle and Cromwell's military Governor of Scotland) started intriguing with Charles' exiled court in the Netherlands, the 'Cromwellian Union' was effectively over. It had ended by what is commonly called the Restoration of Charles II in 1660 (who was already King of Scots, having been crowned at Scone by the Marquis of Argyll in 1651) before the defeats at Worcester and Dunbar.

Furthermore, the 'Cromwellian Union' was an illegal military occupation and deeply unpopular in Scotland with all factions, (Moderate Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Covenanters). As another little bit of Scottish History trivia, Charles II's enthronement (they weren't called coronations in the independent Kingdom of Scotland) was the last occasion that the Crown of Scotland was placed on a monarch's head, although it is now displayed in front of the Queen when she opens each new Scottish Parliament. Since the mid-1970's this Scottish Crown has replaced the Tudor Crown (often incorrectly called the 'King's Crown') on the national cap badge used by the eight Scottish Police forces, and is also used on the new cap badge of the Royal Regiment of Scotland. Sorry if I have strayed too far off topic from the colour of touries.

[Bugbear]

All right, I understand where you're coming from, Peter, and it makes a little more sense.
In short, Cromwell did invade and defeat Scotland, and for a time set up a "military occupation," but it only lasted for a short time, or to the end of Cromwell's life.

I still wonder about the beards being worn in the Highland in the late 1700's, as from the quote, but it is off topic. I'll let it go.