What about black and red diced hose with not MacGregor?

[JSFMACLJR]

Rob Roy is a less correct name for a sett correctly known as Clan MacGregor. It is equal parts red and black in a pattern that looks just like red and black diced hose, or if you prefer just like what is known as gingham in the US:

http://www.lochcarron.com/tartanstro...y_ancient.html



Well, paulhenry is an actual kiltmaker who lives in the UK, he knows his stuff and he is calling me out for continuing to overthink this. To me that is a big deal that he noticed I had already been tutt-tutted by someone else.

On the other hand, I have another current thread open in another tab....this was posted on 1-4-2012 at 0448AM, unknown timezone but not twenty years ago:



So there is the recurring theme again. If you are going to wear a clan tartan, pick one clan and one clan only.

If paulhenry says red and black diced are just hose, well, they are just hose. I don't doubt him.

But I don't think I am going to buy the hose either. I think I would rather find something else with less risk of causing unintended offense to someone less informed than paulhenry.

I find it rather odd how quickly you dismiss the advice given by some due to their place of abode, as if their opinions are wrong or at the least do not matter. If you only trust Scots, why didn't you send a PM to one, or at least state in your OP that "real Scots" only need apply?

I stand by the advice I gave you: Yes red and black diced hose are acceptible. Don't over-think this, relax, and don't worry.

[Jock Scot]

Alright you don't know and because of that you are asking. All credit to you for trying to do the right thing. You have been given very sound advice already and you really should not worry about red and black diced hose causing inter-clan uproar. It is just a co-incidence that the hose "match" a certain tartan, that is all. As suggested, relax and don't over-think things!

[M. A. C. Newsome]

I have to strongly agree with Sandy, Paul, Todd and Jock here. Red and black diced hose are very traditional and perfectly acceptable wear with any tartan.

Yes, they happen to be the same pattern as the red & black MacGregor. But when worn as hose, you are not wearing it as the MacGregor tartan. You are wearing it as a very common and traditional hose pattern.

Think of it this way. The tartan worn by the Royal Regiment of Scotland is the same as the clan Campbell tartan. But the regiment does not wear it as the Campbell tartan. They wear it as the Black Watch military tartan.

Sometimes patterns have more than one name, use, and/or provenance.

[McMurdo]

I find it rather odd how quickly you dismiss the advice given by some due to their place of abode, as if their opinions are wrong or at the least do not matter. If you only trust Scots, why didn't you send a PM to one, or at least state in your OP that "real Scots" only need apply?

I stand by the advice I gave you: Yes red and black diced hose are acceptible. Don't over-think this, relax, and don't worry.

I have to agree here. One other thing you may want to investigate is not just where someone is from but how often they wear the kilt. How familiar are they to the nuances that you think only the Scots are capable of. For myself I have worn the kilt for some 5-6 years continuously, for at least 4 years daily, and more infrequently before that. Both my parents are from Scotland, I am first generation Canadian and grew up you might say in a typically Scottish home, with better plumbing. We grew up learning much of our background. Also I own the hose you are obsessing over, and wear them when in Black or White Tie attire as pictured here:


I also have a pair of red and white diced hose:

As the red and black were made for me I favor those now.

In all these years of kilt wearing and attending balls, and various other functions I have never had anyone say anything regarding my diced hose except that they were a very smart option that more should try.

Before you say that that is simply other guests being polite, please know that I was not the only one so attired. The simple fact is that for Black or White tie, diced or argyll hose are a correct choice, if the tartan is red based many will go for a red and black or a red and white diced sock, as it is very traditional. Remember they are Diced Hose not Tartan or Argyll hose. Do a google search, look through the vintage kilt photos thread, or others on this forum if you still have trouble believing this Canadian.

[creagdhubh]

Yes they are. Don't over-think this, relax, and don't worry.

I agree. No worries mate - no need to overthink things. Building a wardrobe composed solely of Highland attire is a highly personal thing, with particular guidelines/rules here and there, however, the process and experience should be fun, exciting, and simplistic...not to mention, it takes time (to do it properly in my opinion).

Diced hose, of any colour combination, are perfectly suitable with any tartan. Naturally, diced hose are meant to be worn with Highland evening attire, unless one is a reenactor and in Highland costume at an appropriate event.

Cheers,

[creagdhubh]

Glen,

You look great as always mate! I have always been quite fond of the red and white dicing myself - such a fantastic (very traditional) look with the kilt for evening attire - especially when worn with bar and buckle brogues.

Cheers my friend!

[Morris at Heathfield]

Red & black: Rob Roy MacGregor
Red & green: Moncreiffe, formerly MacLachlan
White & black: Shepherd check, or Northumberland
Green & black: Robin Hood, or Hunting Rob Roy MacGregor
Red & white: MacMedic

There are only so many color combinations for diced hose, and the most common ones are already registered tartans. Note that the last combination has been used in the Highland regiments for years before it became a registered tartan. Apparently the Scottish Tartans World Register and the Scottish Register of Tartans didn't think that disqualified the "MacMedic" tartan from becoming a registered tartan. I think the obvious lesson is that diced hose are not considered to be the same as tartan.

[creagdhubh]

I think the obvious lesson is that diced hose are not considered to be the same as tartan.

No, they are not.

[McMurdo]

Glenn,

You look great as always mate! I have always been quite fond of the red and white dicing myself - such a fantastic (very traditional) look with the kilt for evening attire - especially when worn with bar and buckle brogues.

Cheers my friend!

Ta Kyle
That means quite a bit especially when it comes from someone who I've looked to as an example. I have tried to ensure, particularly with evening attire, that I have it right.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Glen,

You look smashin gin both colors of hose. You mention they are a common choice for those with red-based tartans. I would just add that either style of hose looks great with green-based tartans, as well!