Non-tartan kilts

[Jock Scot]

I was meaning more modern 'kilts' that I've seen here with pockets, worn at waist level and which tend to be non-tartan.

I thought that is what you meant and no, I still have never seen a "live" one!

[seanachie]

I thought that is what you meant and no, I still have never seen a "live" one!

You know it is worth mentioning not all "modern" kilts are created equally. I mention that so they don't get stereotyped. I have a foot in both the traditional and modern kilts, but regret that all "modern" are generally lumped into one. There are some that I would not be caught dead in.

Jock, for the times when one wants to be kilted but a traditionally crafted wool kilt would not be appropriate for fear of being soiled or damaged they are a fine addition to your kilt wardrobe.

If you would like to see one live, you can visit and come with me to the park and play with my dogs in the mud and grass, or lend me a hand on a Saturday as I complete my "Honey Do" List.

I might even spot a dram to discuss the issue after.

[Blackrose87]

You know it is worth mentioning not all "modern" kilts are created equally. I mention that so they don't get stereotyped. I have a foot in both the traditional and modern kilts, but regret that all "modern" are generally lumped into one. There are some that I would not be caught dead in.

I suppose your right. I do have a cheaper heritage of Scotland kilt I wear to football. I guess it's PV or a blend of some kind.
I'd bet that most people wearing kilts to rugby or football here tend to wear something similar instead of a more expensive wool kilt.
But I'd say these are still almost exclusively tartan, and worn higher up like a traditional kilt.
At the price of a good quality made kilt, I wouldn't want to wear it to matches in case I got it wrecked.

Even though they're not made from wool, and most likely not even made in Scotland, I would still say they are 'traditional styled' kilts.

[Jock Scot]

You know it is worth mentioning not all "modern" kilts are created equally. I mention that so they don't get stereotyped. I have a foot in both the traditional and modern kilts, but regret that all "modern" are generally lumped into one. There are some that I would not be caught dead in.

Jock, for the times when one wants to be kilted but a traditionally crafted wool kilt would not be appropriate for fear of being soiled or damaged they are a fine addition to your kilt wardrobe.

If you would like to see one live, you can visit and come with me to the park and play with my dogs in the mud and grass, or lend me a hand on a Saturday as I complete my "Honey Do" List.

I might even spot a dram to discuss the issue after.

Aha, therein lies the folly of your thinking!

We keep an old, much repaired and dearly loved tartan kilt for those scruffy occasions! Besides, I am told that the mud and worse in Flanders during WW1 was pretty testing too for kilts, but with a bit of drying and a lot of brushing most wool, tartan kilts would pass muster for a parade in front of The Commander in Chief, The King.

[seanachie]

Aha, therein lies the folly of your thinking!

We keep an old, much repaired and dearly loved tartan kilt for those scruffy occasions! Besides, I am told that the mud and worse in Flanders during WW1 was pretty testing too for kilts, but with a bit of drying and a lot of brushing most wool, tartan kilts would pass muster for a parade in front of The Commander in Chief, The King.

Yes, Jock but when you don't have generations before you who wore kilts and pass them on or a government to issue you one that is a trickier proposition. A good wool kilt costs a fair amount these days, and quite frankly I don't have the resources to expend that chunk of change and then go roll in the mud and tear it up.

I think Steve was right in his comments about how it is worn and what it looks like. I don't own one of his kilts, but I do Robert Pel's and I think they are an excellent example of craftsmanship and Robert tries to blend modern and traditional. I personally, and it's just my preference, dislike the narrow aprons on UKs, and RKilts have a nice full apron.

[hkjrb623]

Yes, Jock but when you don't have generations before you who wore kilts and pass them on or a government to issue you one that is a trickier proposition. A good wool kilt costs a fair amount these days, and quite frankly I don't have the resources to expend that chunk of change and then go roll in the mud and tear it up.

I think Steve was right in his comments about how it is worn and what it looks like. I don't own one of his kilts, but I do Robert Pel's and I think they are an excellent example of craftsmanship and Robert tries to blend modern and traditional. I personally, and it's just my preference, dislike the narrow aprons on UKs, and RKilts have a nice full apron.

You do realize that you can get a wool kilt from some sources cheaper than an RKilt hemp. I've never understood this argument. You can't justify your side by throwing a similarly priced garment into the fray. I don't know how you could justify running through the mud and muck in a $375 "modern" kilt. That's still a little rich for my blood. If you want something to withstand abuse, buy a casual PV from Rocky. They take it all, look better, and cheaper than any overpriced UK. My moderns have been worn rarely since I acquired mine.

[seanachie]

You do realize that you can get a wool kilt from some sources cheaper than an RKilt hemp. I've never understood this argument. You can't justify your side by throwing a similarly priced garment into the fray. I don't know how you could justify running through the mud and muck in a $375 "modern" kilt. That's still a little rich for my blood. If you want something to withstand abuse, buy a casual PV from Rocky. They take it all, look better, and cheaper than any overpriced UK. My moderns have been worn rarely since I acquired mine.

I do own a PV kilt, but that is along the lines of a traditional kilt and I was trying to make the distinction between a modern kilt and a traditional kilt. I used the RKilt as an example, and certainly it is at the higher end but it is made and constructed to those higher standards. I also have an AltKilt that is priced more afford ably and takes a good deal of wear and tear. The casual kilt you mention is also lighter weight and the PV fabric I daresay while it will withstand mud and water from a durability standpoint is not as high on the scale of durability.
As to your point about lesser priced wool kilts, certainly a Stillwater or similar falls into that vein, however, that changes the parameters quite a bit. If you are accepting that based on it's traditional look and not the materials and construction OK. I am still not sure I would want to abuse my Stillwater solid green.

You can't justify your side by throwing a similarly priced garment into the fray.
I am really at a loss to understand this point.

But, not in your posting, the thread contains more obfuscation by throwing in MUG to the mix. I am sure in different people's lexicons this takes on different meaning but to me a MUG does not necessarily mean kilt. Some MUGS clearly are very different from a kilt, the new UK new standard being one.

Again, not in your posting, but in this thread I don't see the humor in laughing about someone (assuming it fits the definition of a kilt, ie pleats in the back, aprons in the front and generally accepted norms) who has on a modern kilt. I have very traditional kilts which I enjoy tremendously and wear often, I also own modern kilts which I enjoy equally and see not why they be held in derision.

[hkjrb623]

[QUOTE=seanachie;1083394]

You can't justify your side by throwing a similarly priced garment into the fray.


i.e. - most people would not abuse such an expensive modern either. I'm not knocking moderns, I just don't understand the draw to purchase such an expensive one.