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Bigdad,
I think the big difference is that in other venues such as church, the wearer has no intention of exposing themselves (nor generally allowing anyone to raise their kilt in front of other people!) But when it comes to the TSA, you have no choice... the TSA will do what they want to do, regardless of what you want, how you feel about it, or who else is in the room.
KEN CORMACK
Clan Buchanan
U.S. Coast Guard, Retired
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, USA
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![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Geoff Withnell
I have found that by a large, the TSA has treated me no differently in a kilt than if I was in trousers.
Same here.
BTW, if you don't use the belt loops for your sporran strap, you can just drop the sporran and belt in one motion into the bucket to go through the machine, and it is MUCH easier than dealing with pockets.
That's how I do it.
"It's all the same to me, war or peace,
I'm killed in the war or hung during peace."
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Unixken I understand the concept but being a believer in the law that says if it can go wrong it will I also understand that just because you don't plan on your kilt being raised doesn't mean it won't be. Especially in areas that aren't as kilt smart as a highland games or such. Walking down the steps in front of a church may give those at the bottom of the steps a view they didn't expect. Slipping on a wet airport floor may have you end up in an unexpect position. Trying to get out of a window seat in a crowed airplane is a chore when in trousers. Just those thoughts that I have about running around without undershorts in some situations.
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Agreed. The difference, I think, is the distinction between what I would label accidental exposure on the part of the wearer, and that which is the result of an apparent disregard for decorum and good sense, on the part of TSA. I think we're on the same page. ;)
KEN CORMACK
Clan Buchanan
U.S. Coast Guard, Retired
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, USA
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Women have been wearing skirts and dresses for years when in aircraft as passengers, even after increased security, as well as all the other situations where some Kilties attend. Why is there such a who hah about men being searched, falling over, ascending/decending flights of stairs. I have never heard so much twaddle over what people should wear and when, under their street clothes, surely it's up to the individual and has nothing to do with anyone else. This issue comes up every now and then and always ends up with buts and what if
Shoot straight you bastards. Don't make a mess of it. Harry (Breaker) Harbord Morant - Bushveldt Carbineers
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If I want to deliberately lift my kilt, it's my doing. But when TSA ( or anyone else) decides my kilt needs lifting, without my approval, under penalty of Federal Law, It should be obvious, the difference. Thats all. Big difference.
KEN CORMACK
Clan Buchanan
U.S. Coast Guard, Retired
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, USA
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Women have been wearing skirts for years. The TSA has been lifting those skirts only much more recently.
KEN CORMACK
Clan Buchanan
U.S. Coast Guard, Retired
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, USA
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And the greater majority of those women have been wearing panties. At least in the northern hemisphere. Not so much twaddle as part of being a good member of society is caring for those other members feelings and sensativities.
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![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by bigdad1
And the greater majority of those women have been wearing panties. At least in the northern hemisphere. Not so much twaddle as part of being a good member of society is caring for those other members feelings and sensativities.
Nice generalisation on statistics from heavens knows where
Shoot straight you bastards. Don't make a mess of it. Harry (Breaker) Harbord Morant - Bushveldt Carbineers
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Lets look into another issue here, and believe me I appreciate everyones thoughts and discussions on this matter. What is under my kilt will obviously be my choice and I usually am good with my choices. The next issue is packing my kilt and gear and hoping it makes it in one piece. Not owning a nice kilt roller I have an old heavy duty suit carrier. You know the kind that fold in the center with the hangers inside. I guess that will have to be my mode of transport and check in for baggage. Ive used it to carry kilts in my car but this will be different. Im not taking my tank but I value all my kilts and want them in good shape. Any shared experiences here?
And I do appreciate everyones views on the down under the kilt issue, I know when to be prudent and make a reasonable choice based on my surroundings not just my own wishes.
"Greater understanding properly leads to an increasing sense of responsibility, and not to arrogance."
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