Meeting the Chief for Lunch

[davidg]

I can say they do sell a single silver buttoned jacket.

There is a huge range so that doesn't really surprise me even though I've never seen that version on sale myself. But then again I've never really looked. I was with the Chief last night and I noticed he actually has 3 buttons on his plain cuff and no decoration on the pockets. Rather like a simple suit jacket but cut away for the kilt

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Yes, there seems to be considerable disagreement among the manufacturers and retailers as to jacket terminology, which can make purchasing confusing unless you can actually see what you are getting.

In your first post, you mentioned that a Braemar jacket was an Argyle jacket with black buttons. At least that is how it read to me. I've never heard of button color being used as a defining feature of jacket type, which is why I posted what I did. Normally the sleeve cuffs are the defining feature, with some people disagreeing over specific terms.

Some people use the term "Argyle" or "Argyll" to refer generically to this style of cut of kilt jacket (as depicted in the sketch I posted), regardless of the specific cuff style. Others use "Argyle" or "Argyll" to refer only to such a jacket made with a gauntlet cuff.

Some people refer to the Braemar cuff as a "Prince Charlie" cuff, because Prince Charlie jackets typically feature Braemar cuffs. So I have heard people refer to their "Argyle jackets with Prince Charlie cuffs" even though most people would simply call such a thing a "Braemar jacket."

Most people in the industry refer to plain, unadorned cuffs as "Crail" and so a kilt jacket made with such cuffs would be called a "Crail jacket." Usually a jacket with plain cuffs also is made with plain pocket flaps and no epaulettes, but not always so.

All of the above is generally true, but, as you say, some makers will use different terms. House of Edgar, for example, makes a charcoal grey jacket with Braemar cuffs and they call it a "Craill jacket." They make a black jacket with the same cut, but with plain cuffs (what I'd call "Craill" cuffs) and they call that their "Argyle jacket." The cuffs on the latter are made with a single button, and it's a chrome square button, by the way.

Most other manufacturers make their Argyle jackets standard with a gauntlet cuff.

Of course when you are having a jacket tailor made, you can specify all these details yourself. Just make sure the terminology you use is the same as your tailor's!

[chrisupyonder]

Tuirc, glad you enjoyed lunch with Donald, are you over here for the Lochearnhead Games Weekend and Clan dinner on the 21st July?
We had a great time last year and it is the 50th anniversary of the Clan Society this year.

Chris.

[creagdhubh]

There is a huge range so that doesn't really surprise me even though I've never seen that version on sale myself. But then again I've never really looked. I was with the Chief last night and I noticed he actually has 3 buttons on his plain cuff and no decoration on the pockets. Rather like a simple suit jacket but cut away for the kilt

This is the style in which I wear in my tweed day jackets, except each sleeve has 4 genuine stag horn buttons in a row.

Cheers,