all man-made sporran?

[cruiser348]

Sadly I don't see one at the moment to post a link to, but if he keeps an eye on ebay I have occasionally seen synthetic horse hair sporrans that are attached to a backing of a reinforced nylon. The one's I've seen don't have a pocket on the back but would give him an option for more formal settings.

[Friday]

Apologies Friday, I just could not leave "slaughter for sport" unanswered. I promise not to repond to anything else on this thread unless I discover a maker of cabbage leaf sporrans, (assuming it is OK to violate the veggies).

Singlemalt I fully understand, I have hot button topics and certain statements that I HAVE to respond to. I have learned to stop typing and go get a cup of coffee. Then come back delete what I have typed and go to another thread.

You have a lot to share here and on other threads, lets not be sucked into the mud of the bogs. It is bad for the pleats and swish.

[Joe I]

Apologies Friday, I just could not leave "slaughter for sport" unanswered. I promise not to repond to anything else on this thread unless I discover a maker of cabbage leaf sporrans, (assuming it is OK to violate the veggies).

I read that plants have feeling, too.

[pugcasso]

Thank you for your reply but I wasn't specifically aiming my concerns at you in particular. I just saw several posts already on the first page that were questioning the reason why anyone would want a non-leather sporran and I hoped this thread wouldn't get off track like I saw another thread on this subject. A few points stated (such as the comment about polluting industries ... one can argue that much of the modern animal rearing industry has acquired many negative trends in the past decades during which many family farms have been taken over by larger corporate interests - including pollution, large over-farming of topsoil for plant animal feed - to produce even more meat animals - , use of huge amounts of hormones and antibiotics ... etc) really want me to discuss the issue (just like the phrase "slaughter of animals for sport" made you wish to reply to correct that idea being projected towards hunters in general).


I was vegan since 2003 but started getting some eggs recently --- allegedly and hopefully "free range" and organic (but I have heard this "free range" phrase may not be what it is supposed to be). I may decide to buy some eggs from a Mennonite farmer at the local Saturday Farmer's market - at least they will be small operation (so I will pay more). I just do not want to support the typical modern business where egg-laying hens are kept in such confined spaces . The way I see it, a lot of the industry has become very mechanized and owned by more larger corporate systems who want to make cheaper product and make more profit (and this can not only be at the expense of the animals experience but also the humans' health who eat the product... hormones and irradiated meat for schools - I feel these are not good things!).

But the whole availability of leather comes from this industry and so here is the problem for some of us... we simply do not want to use these products arrived at in what we consider harmful (to animals comfort, to human health, to ecological balance - such as top-soil and even rain-forest deforestation for more soy-based animal feed growing) trends of modern industry.

Ideally I would want these animals to at least live a normal life for their nature (not hens confined to little cages, not mother pigs confined within metal gestation fences, not cows eating tons of corn which is not natural .... etc). This would likely increase the price of these items but you would get better products (but maybe not a fast food chain burger at so low a price).

I'm not really against most hunting where the person has some concern for the animals. Families who pay to go shoot Giraffes and pose with the dead creature or top politicians who go on drunken "canned" bird hunts where they shoot dozens and dozens of dazed birds don't get a very high opinion from me but it's very wrong to lump all hunters in with these groups.

Theoretically hunting seems to have even less of an impact than even a vegan diet (if one's concern is least amount of negative impact). Whether I personally respect someone who hunts has more to do with their attitude. Seeing a photo of someone gloating with a giant grin holding two pistols over the bodies of dead raccoons in the back of a truck does not make me respect them. Seeing a photo of two guys who have shot 50 crows and arranged their bodies on the ground to form a giant number "50" does not make me respect them. Hearing that someone hunts for food and tries to do so cleanly and doesn't have a demeaning attitude towards the animal makes me have respect. If these animals sustain you, you should be thankful.

So when someone wishes to find a non-leather sporran ... I really understand why they would think this way (in modern times when things are not always "like the old days").

Anyway , sorry for the long spiel ... I just feel like clearing up some of ideas and why I commented earlier.

[Singlemalt]

Pugcasso, obviously you give a lot of thought to what you eat. I respect that because I do to. Obviously we have come to some different conclusions, however to carry on the conversation would be a serious hijack of this thread. Perhaps I will carry on with a PM.

[Friday]

Found on ebay:

Renaissance Scottish Black Faux Leather Sporran Medieval Pouch Bag w. Chain Belt


Not sure how they define faux leather might want to PM vendor.

[pugcasso]

I did find this one online right now


http://buyakilt.com/rhum-vegan-microfibre-sporran

[pugcasso]

actually I count 8 vegan sporrans (in the leather sporran section haha) on this page

http://buyakilt.com/sporrans/leather-sporrans

[James Hood]

Uncountable quadrillions of single-celled planktonic animals gave up their lives, millions of years ago...

...so "non-animal products" people can have plastic which is formed into the likeness of more complex animals...

...so the "non-animal products people"...

...can appear to be wearing things made of callously slaughtered complex animals...

...which are in reality the biologically-processed, drilled, pumped, refined "bodies" of those noble unknown, unhonoured single-celled planktonic animals.


"...The organic material that is the source of most oil has probably been derived from single-celled planktonic (free-floating) plants, such as diatoms and blue-green algae, and single-celled planktonic animals, such as foraminifera, which live in aquatic environments of...."
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...n-of-crude-oil


Honour and thanks for their ultimate sacrifice to the unknown, forgotten, single-celled planktonic animals who gave up thier lives so we could (eventually) have microscopic fragments of their dismembered bodies fabricated into naugahyde for fake sporrans, Crocs, Saran wrap covering our sushi and gasoline to drive to the movies...

...especially Foraminifera Alice, Hans, George, Wyatt, Wu, Ahmed, Cecil, Akhbar, Gladys, Said, Wes, Mavis, Fluffy, Sacheen, Amina, Larissa, M'gumba, Lou, Phyllis, Francois, Luigi, Sakajawea, Timmy, Chase, Red, Shep, Chen, Luke, Juan, Gene, Josie, Milan,K'eii, Vartan, Reginald, Griselda, Lydia, Alberto, Bob, Saburo, Antonia, Len, Kiko, Henrietta, Marvin, Crystal, Craig, Sylvia....

Apologies to all for this soiloquy...in this opinion, we comprised of Matter are all in this infinite multiverse together.

[GTRMAN]

I have to comment that I just don't get the thinking of people who feel they are doing the right thing by seeking out products made from materials which are made by polluting industries and from diminishing non-renewable resources instead of traditional products like leather and wool which are natural, renewable and a valuable byproduct of food production.

I doubt that anyone with a vinyl sporran grew up on a farm.

The fur industry is terribly cruel. Many animals are made to suffer for days on end after being trapped while dying a slow agonizing death. Most fur farm animals are anally electrocuted and skinned alive.