Problems with my club

**Duke of Delrio** · 18th September 12, 02:44 AM

While I am aware there are "clothing optional" clubs, this is the first time I have heard of a "clothing prohibited" club. Neither of these would be my cup of tea, as I find it much easier and less painful to iron clothes than to iron wrinkles. But to your issue.

I'm with Jock on this one. I would shake the dust of this club off whatever it is that nudists shake dust off of, and find fellowship elsewhere.

**Friday** · 18th September 12, 03:58 AM

Considering that you have been kilted for 7+ years and nothing has been said, I wonder what other "rules" they have lurking in the background? You kicked your baby out the door to grow up when you started the board. It is not uncommon for children to fight parents at the first experience of freedom and it seems that the board is doing the same thing exerting its new found freedom.

I think that you have a hard question to ask yourself, "can I live with this and other actions of the board if I disagree with that action?" If you can, then all that I can see that can be done, is follow the boards direction, if not, I like Jock's "Never explain and never complain" comment and as soon as you can gracefully stop attending and look for another group.

**Father Bill** · 18th September 12, 05:08 AM

My response would be the same as Jock's. I would go elsewhere. Personal choice is just that and ignorance is just ignorance.

I'm not using that word as it has often been used to mean "rudeness," but rather for its true meaning - lack of knowledge. You can't legislate knowledge or intelligence.

**Chase** · 22nd September 12, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Father Bill

My response would be the same as Jock's. I would go elsewhere. Personal choice is just that and ignorance is just ignorance.

I'm not using that word as it has often been used to mean "rudeness," but rather for its true meaning - lack of knowledge. You can't legislate knowledge or intelligence.

*** here and with Jock,

I was the National VP of the Original Infidels MC and member for over 5 years...At one point the club opened a chapter in Florida which required the blessings of the DOM 1% The Outlaws...They said that they didn't want any affiliation with Law Enforcement, so a rule was added to the by-laws for all existing LEO's to remove all SWAT, INL, and LEO patches from their cut, (there were seven of us active and prior law enforcement at the time)...They also voted to not accept any new members with LEO backgrounds...I took this as a personal offense and after years of hard work and effort on the club's behalf, I walked away and never looked back...I'm now a Member of the Thin Blue Line LEMC and no one tells us what to do!

No regrets!

**TheOfficialBren** · 27th September 12, 12:55 AM

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The kilt is not the issue. The issue is treachery within the ranks. If you are the leader and are attempting to incorporate then I assume that all documentation would lead to you, the head of the organisation. I would advise you to speak with an attorney that specialises in cases like this.

Stand up and fight for what is rightfully yours.

BTW, the ACLU seems like they would have a field day but in reality, from experience, are not as interested in helping John Q. Citizen as they are in attention-grabbing headlines, sorry to say...politics as usual.

I would be interested in hearing more about this as an observer. There have to be a number of attorneys here on XMTS. I am certain that the love of the kilt would attract one of them to examine this issue.

I wish you all the best.

**Mark Stevenson** · 9th October 12, 10:48 PM

I will disagree with the good Rev'd on that note. The Australian Government has been legislating since 1901 to prove they have Knoledge and Intelligence........
As for the club, in your country, isn't that a violation of your civil liberities/rights? It is usually OK to do something but illegal to be told you can't unless by
Government decree.

**xdepuydt** · 9th October 12, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mark Stevenson

As for the club, in your country, isn't that a violation of your civil liberities/rights? It is usually OK to do something but illegal to be told you can't unless by
Government decree.

A club can set up a set of rules for membership. For example a kilt-club can decide that all members should attend meeting wearing a kilt. This rule doesn't apply outside the group but regulates what happens inside the club. What a club can't do however is set up rules that are against the law. A kilt-club can't impose that the members have to steal a kilt once a year for example.

**MacGumerait** · 10th October 12, 12:34 AM

No offense to the OP , but it seems he is looking for XMarks members to support his decision to be kilted at times , whether he is a nudist or not being a nudist ( a bit difficult to understand his real complaint , seems more personal than kilt related ) .

Regardless of the OP's intent , why drag being a nudist into this forum ? We are about wearing kilts , etc. .... not what we don't wear !

Just my two cents .

**flairball** · 18th September 12, 05:14 AM

Usually if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. So,......

If you don't wear any clothing at club functions I don't see why it would matter what you wear before and after. Seems like boundaries are being over stepped.

Or if this is not the case, why would you where a kilt, or anything, everyday at a nudist club? If I were a member, running around naked, and another insisted on wearing clothing I'd have an issue with that too. Join, or start a kilt club if you must.

**Alan H** · 18th September 12, 11:06 AM

I totally don't get this. This is a club where members wear no clothes at all during club functions....meaning, you don't have your kilt on. What the hell are they thinking, that they can tell you what to wear or what not to wear when you're NOT doing club functions?

It's probably more complicated than that, but if it ISN'T, really more complicated then that, then I'd tell them to )*&% off and I'd go elsewhere.