Will Catherine be Queen?

**McClef** · 27th November 12, 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by Phil

Shock! Horror! You surely can't be saying that our future monarch, the man born to be king would publish a tissue of lies on his website. Can you?

Phil, if you would care to Google about what Charles once said about him having no plans to marry Camilla you will find that things can change.

Public opinion is always being carefully monitored and it was a change in public opinion that overturned his original declaration.

I have little doubt that the words of Stanley Baldwin will be brought to mind on the Constitutional position (Hansard, 4th December 1936) in due course:

Mr. ATTLEE

I should like to ask the Prime Minister whether he has anything to add to the answer he gave to the Question I put to him at the beginning of to-day's proceedings.

§ 3.51 p.m.

§ The PRIME MINISTER

Yes, Sir. In view of widely circulated suggestions as to certain possibilities in the event of the King's marriage, I think it would be advisable for me to make a statement. Suggestions have appeared in certain organs of the Press yesterday and again to-day that if the King decided to marry, his wife need not become Queen. These ideas are without any Constitutional foundation. There is no such thing as what is called a morganatic marriage known to our law. The Royal Marriages Act of 1772 has no application to the Sovereign himself. Its only effect is that the marriage of any other member of the Royal Family is null and void unless the Sovereign's consent, declared under the Great Seal, is first obtained. This Act, therefore, has nothing to do with the present case. The King himself requires no consent from any other authority to wake his marriage legal, but, as I have said, the lady whom he marries, by the fact of her marriage to the King, necessarily becomes Queen. She 1612 herself, therefore, enjoys all the status, rights and privileges which, both by positive law and by custom, attach to that position, and with which we are familiar in the cases of Her Late Majesty Queen Alexandra and of Her Majesty Queen Mary, and her children would be in the direct line of succession to the Throne.

The only possible way in which this result could be avoided would be by legislation dealing with a particular case. His Majesty's Government are not prepared to introduce such legislation. Moreover, the matters to be dealt with are of common concern to the Commonwealth as a whole, and such a change could not be effected without the assent of all the Dominions. I am satisfied, from inquiries I have made, that this assent would not be forthcoming. I have felt it right to make this statement before the House adjourns to-day in order to remove a widespread misunderstanding. At this moment I have no other statement to make.

**Phil** · 28th November 12, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by McClef

Phil, if you would care to Google about what Charles once said about him having no plans to marry Camilla you will find that things can change.
Public opinion is always being carefully monitored and it was a change in public opinion that overturned his original declaration.

I have no doubt that Charles will make his decision in the light of public opinion when the time arrives. At the moment, however, public opinion is strongly against Camilla being called Queen and, as the majority of people in favour of the continuation of the monarchy are female and the majority of them find difficulty in reconciling the marital infidelity inherent in his current situation I doubt if the situation will change. With all the speculation already about the succession I doubt that his advisors would counsel him to ride roughshod over what little sympathy he has remaining.

**piperdbh** · 28th November 12, 03:05 PM

Lovely weather we had today, wasn't it?

**John_Carrick** · 28th November 12, 04:40 PM

[QUOTE=Phil;1136941......, as the majority of people in favour of the continuation of the monarchy are female[/QUOTE]

A bit of a sweeping statement there old man!

I'm sure support is stronger amongst women, however only 10% overall in a Guardian/ICM poll in June of people favoured moving to an elected head of state after our current sovereign, which would indicate support amongst men too. Likewise 67% felt the country was better off with a monarch and only 22% worse off.
John

**ThistleDown** · 28th November 12, 06:17 PM

I'm sure that we will all be cautious as we move ever further away from the original subject of the thread. Won't we?

**Father Bill** · 28th November 12, 06:33 PM

Och! And whom are you calling a "dip?"

**ThistleDown** · 28th November 12, 07:30 PM

...and no double-dipping either, Father.

**O'Callaghan** · 28th November 12, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Phil

I have no doubt that Charles will make his decision in the light of public opinion when the time arrives. At the moment, however, public opinion is strongly against Camilla being called Queen and, as the majority of people in favour of the continuation of the monarchy are female and the majority of them find difficulty in reconciling the marital infidelity inherent in his current situation I doubt if the situation will change. With all the speculation already about the succession I doubt that his advisors would counsel him to ride roughshod over what little sympathy he has remaining.

Public opinion has very little to do with it. I have no doubt that one day we will have King Charles III and Queen Camilla, regardless of what anyone says or thinks. But until then, god save HM Queen Elizabeth II.

**Chas** · 29th November 12, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by O'Callaghan

Public opinion has very little to do with it. I have no doubt that one day we will have King Charles III and Queen Camilla, regardless of what anyone says or thinks. But until then, god save HM Queen Elizabeth II.

panem et circenses

bread and circuses
Juvenal (circa 100 A.D.)

Regards

Chas

**Phil** · 29th November 12, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by O'Callaghan

Public opinion has very little to do with it. I have no doubt that one day we will have King Charles III and Queen Camilla, regardless of what anyone says or thinks. But until then, god save HM Queen Elizabeth II.

Public opinion has everything to do with it and can be very fickle. Just recall the sentiment following the tragic death of Diana when public opinion, encouraged by the Press I might add, turned strongly and required a great deal of effort to contain. Similarly opinion was, and still is to an extent, very strongly against Camilla. A great deal of PR work has gone into the current position where there is a grudging acceptance by many but still an antipathy towards the thought of her ever becoming queen. No doubt time will soften this opposition and as Charles probably has another 15 years to wait who knows what the public will accept by then?