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    Having been fortunate enough to visit some of those castles, and stand in some of those cathedrals, I absolutely understand (well, hopefully) and agree on that aspect. Not much on this side standing that would fit in the same conversation.

    Though folk were here, a different attitude and culture led to different construction not so durable. Near Harold
    Cannon, folk were living 10 or 11 thousand years ago, but not much left. Folk living in Upper Peninsula Michigan
    were selling copper to the Egyptians long enough ago that is was found in pyramids sealed up 5,000 or so years ago.
    The pyramids still stand, but nothing here to show for it.

    For further perspective, I know a man, son of an Inuit shaman, psychologist, and practitioner of the ancient healing arts,
    who speaks of periodically visiting with an elder in Greenland who lives in a stone house continuously occupied for
    12,000 years. Haven't been yet invited to go with.

    Most don't know, nor would they care. For most, Jock, your point is very well taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOfficialBren View Post
    Thank you for sharing this article. I found it most fascinating.

    Yes, for our overseas friends, the USA is FRICKIN' HUGE!!! California is the third largest state by landmass (#1 is Alaska, #2 is Texas) and the largest by population (#50 is Alaska) and economy. At one point in the last twenty years CALIFORNIA (by itself) was in the top twenty global economies.

    Canada is MASSIVE!! Just huge!! It's a gull-dern giant behemoth of a country.
    Does anyone have an overlay of the US and Canada?
    You think Alsaka is big in area at 1,717,854 sq km, then what would you call the state of Western Australia at 2,529,875 sq km, bloody huge?
    Shoot straight you bastards. Don't make a mess of it. Harry (Breaker) Harbord Morant - Bushveldt Carbineers

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    I was wondering when the Aussies were going to chip in!
    " Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jock Scot View Post
    No "task" taken.

    I will try to avoid the "Scottish" ancestry slant that you talk about other than to say that is not the direction that I was coming from in my post here. I had thought that I had made that clear and I am sorry if I did not do so.

    It was the physical aspects that I had in mind such as "artifacts", buildings, and everyday items that we are surrounded with and take little notice of because we are so familiar with them. I give you examples, Stonehenge is a world renowned ancient monument and there are several other henges dotted about the UK so the residents are not unused to things of several thousand years of age. Iron age forts are not unusual, Cathedrals at around a 1000 years old are common, Scotland has, I think over 3000 castles, most go back more than several centuries. Some of our tartan and tweed that we here enthuse about here is made on looms that are over 100 years old, I eat my meals with cutlery that was made just after Napoleon was defeated, and all this is not just a UK thing. So "OLD" to the "old world" is just not the issue that the "new world" make of it.
    Jock, I understand exactly where you are comming from. I often think of my sabbatical to the mother country in the 1990's and how amazed I was to be standing in places that were erected centuries before Australia was colonised by europeans. In many ways Australia is still the new boy on the block.
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    I absent mindedly responded 'Jurassic, I think' when my American son in law commented on how old some cottages were - I was looking at the bedrock at the time, not the stonework on top of it. Anne the Pleater :ootd:
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    Well, yes, but I'm trying not to sound superior.

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    In Scotland we have burials turning up all over the place having put bodies under the ground for thousands of years. This is especially the case where a church building once stood. Another car park burial is this:
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    John Knox, the most influential religious reformer in the history of Scotland, buried in the St. Giles Cemetery, behind the High Kirk (St. Giles Cathedral) in Edinburgh is now parking space number 23! The wee bronze plaque has no writing on it.
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    Ya' know, here in Canada we're building parking lots so quickly that if a chap stumbles out of a pub too late at night and they start paving before the light dawns in morning...

    ... well, it would be "good-knight" for him, and that's totally evil, not just mid-evil!

    Okay, time to have a shower and get to work.
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    [QUOTE=tripleblessed;1156389]Folk living in Upper Peninsula Michigan
    were selling copper to the Egyptians long enough ago that is was found in pyramids sealed up 5,000 or so years ago.

    QUOTE]

    Where did you ever hear this? I have studied Ancient Egypt for many years and have never heard anything like this.
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    [QUOTE=sailortats;1156420]
    Quote Originally Posted by tripleblessed View Post
    Folk living in Upper Peninsula Michigan
    were selling copper to the Egyptians long enough ago that is was found in pyramids sealed up 5,000 or so years ago.

    QUOTE]

    Where did you ever hear this? I have studied Ancient Egypt for many years and have never heard anything like this.
    Here's a bit on the Copper Cultures of the Upper Great Lakes,
    but I'm fairly certain the "old world shipping" theory was largely discredited at this point.

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