Formal footwear

[Nathan]

If you've got $1200 to burn you could always shake things up with these! hehe





http://m.hypebeast.com/2013/4/sasqua...ingtip-brogues

[MacGumerait]

Wow . You are right , ... buying those .... would certainly be the equivalent of burning one's $ 1,200 !

[Jock Scot]

Wow . You are right , ... buying those .... would certainly be the equivalent of burning one's $ 1,200 !

Quite so! At least if one did burn the loot one could have stayed warm for a few minutes. Now, I wonder on second thoughts, hummmm, would burning the shoes create more therms than burning the money?

[Jock Scot]

My Canadian understanding is that your top pic is not of an oxford at all but of a derby (or in the US and parts of Canada a "buck") as it has the shoelace eyelets sewn on top of the upper.

An oxford has the shoelace eyelet tabs sewn underneath the vamp.

Here anyway, a "brogue" is a type of oxford with holes (broguing) on the toe. This is called a "wingtip" in the United States. Jock, when you say brogue, is in a synonymous with any type of laced oxford or specifically the "wing tip" style with the holes in the toe?

Until I came to this website I had never heard of "wing tip" styled shoes. So yes, by "brogue" I do specifically mean patterned "holes" dotted about on the outside of the shoe, not "any type of laced Oxford".

[Friday]

Quite so! At least if one did burn the loot one could have stayed warm for a few minutes. Now, I wonder on second thoughts, hummmm, would burning the shoes create more therms than burning the money?

Jock being on the British Isles could you check this out with the British military group in charge of fires. You know a member of one of the British Thermal Units.

[creagdhubh]

Love these! Nice work.

Nice work indeed!

[StevieR]

Until I came to this website I had never heard of "wing tip" styled shoes. So yes, by "brogue" I do specifically mean patterned "holes" dotted about on the outside of the shoe, not "any type of laced Oxford".

Wingtip brogues are also referred to as full brogues and have a perforated pattern marked on the shoe - the toe cap of the brogue forms a 'w' shape. A longwing brogue has the tips of the 'w' running the full length of the shoe and joining the seam at the heel. (pause for breath!) A half brogue does not have a wingtip, just a standard toe cap with a perforated pattern and a quarter brogue only has perforations along the seam of the toecap and a limited amount of perforated decoration on the rest of the shoe.

[StevieR]

Well here we are. Not the best of pictures, but should give a flavour. After all your excellent advice, I've decided on and acquired a pair of British army surplus highland brogues - issued to Scottish and Gurkha regiments - all leather, goodyear welted, unworn and only 40 quid. My quest for value continues and I'm now pestering the highland wear outfitters of Scotland in search of an ex hire or end of line grey tweed argyll jacket and waistcoat.

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[creagdhubh]

Very smart! Well done, Stevie.

[Lime]

Just for clarification, I'd like to set out a few definitions.

In the US, we call just about any lace up shoe on "Oxford." Slip-ons are often called "loafers."

This is what we would call a "Blucher Oxford" in the US; I think it's called a "Derby" in the UK, I'm not from the IK, so you can correct me:


Note, the shoe lace holes are in flaps (for lack of a more precise word) that lay over the tongue.

This is what we call a "Balmoral Oxford" or Bal Oxford:


Note that the lace holes are not in flaps.

We still are people divided by a common language.

I would call the top pair "Blutchers" rather than a "Derby" but I have no idea where I picked it up from.