PCE Stuart v Stewart CE

[OC Richard]

I'm checking on the various mills which produce PCE Stewart/Stuart tartan.

Interestingly, DC Dalgliesh has two heavyweight stock tartans

Prince Charles Edward Stuart 591288
Stewart Charles Edward 531166

Only the latter is illustrated on their site. It seems to resemble the familiar PCE Stewart tartan. So what is 591288?

House of Edgar offers "Pr Charles Edward Stuart" in medium weight 864 and heavy weight 1633.

Lochcarron only lists Prince Charles Edward Stewart in Reiver 10oz. I have a kilt made up in it here (EDIT: the kilt is in 13oz) the sett size is just under 6" and the selvedge shows the blue stripe which borders the red empty square.

I would be very interested if anyone could post photos of kilts made up in any or all of these versions, and/or the sett size and what part of the sett is at the selvedge.

Thanks! Richard

[mookien]

Richard: At the Dalgliesh website I found a Prince Charles Edward Stuart under the "Material ID" 463791 at

http://www.dcdalgliesh.co.uk/tartan_found.rpy?id=463791

Is that not the one in which you have an interest?

John

[figheadair]

Richard: At the Dalgliesh website I found a Prince Charles Edward Stuart under the "Material ID" 463791 at

http://www.dcdalgliesh.co.uk/tartan_found.rpy?id=463791

Is that not the one in which you have an interest?

John

I don't know what this one is but it's not any Stuart/stewart that I've ever seen. Time for a bit of investigation.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

I don't know what this one is but it's not any Stuart/stewart that I've ever seen. Time for a bit of investigation.

I occasionally notice some goofiness in the tartans illustrated on Dalgliesh's site. I think when the software that included all the tartan information was added to the site, some glitches must have crept in. I've had to email them with multiple corrections.

[OC Richard]

Richard: At the Dalgliesh website I found a Prince Charles Edward Stuart under the "Material ID" 463791 at

http://www.dcdalgliesh.co.uk/tartan_found.rpy?id=463791

Is that not the one in which you have an interest?

John

That's interesting but the one I'm looking for is the same as the normal red Royal Stewart, but has the open red squares reduced to red stripes (#240 in The Setts of the Scottish Tartans).

A guy here has 8 yards of PCE Stewart heavyweight from Dalgliesh coming; it's supposedly shipped.

We have samples in mediumweight and heavyweight from Edgar coming too.

I'll give an update when these things arrive.

Any kilt photos? Thanks!

[figheadair]

That's interesting but the one I'm looking for is the same as the normal red Royal Stewart, but has the open red squares reduced to red stripes (#240 in The Setts of the Scottish Tartans).

Any kilt photos? Thanks!

I've posted this before but as a reminder, here's an early kilt in Wilsons' Prince Charles Edward c1830.



Note the traditionally setting where each Lt Blue stripe is roughly half the width of the central red.

[mookien]

That's interesting but the one I'm looking for is the same as the normal red Royal Stewart, but has the open red squares reduced to red stripes (#240 in The Setts of the Scottish Tartans). ...

Perhaps the PCE Stuart on the Dagliesh web site to which I referred is one of those "glitch" tartans to which Matt referred.

Unless I am missing something, it may be necessary to map the "Material ID" (463791, presumably a Dalgliesh proprietary/internal number) back to an STA or STWR number. Barring that, it would seem impossible to determine the origin of the tartan, beyond simply asking the good folks at Dalgliesh something like, "Where in the heck did that tartan come from?!".

In any case good luck on your quest for the desired PCE Stuart tartan.

[OC Richard]

I've posted this before but as a reminder, here's an early kilt in Wilsons' Prince Charles Edward c1830.



Note the traditionally setting where each Lt Blue stripe is roughly half the width of the central red.

Very interesting, thanks for posting that! #240 in Setts has the blue a bit narrower than that, and the Lochcarron 13oz kilt I have has those stripes narrower still, reduced practically to lines.

I think the tartan looks better with those blue stripes wider.

Since it's a tartan that the Prince himself supposedly wore I'm guessing that it's based on a relic somewhere? And is there a photo of this relic available?

BTW I like the pleats in that kilt, the "lawnchair effect" or "pleating to the block" as I've heard it called.

[figheadair]

The reply form Dalgliesh was interesting and perhaps reflects the recent change of staff Please refer to the tartan register for any info on this fabric. I'm afraid I really am of no use to answer your questions.

Further investigation found it in the STA Db as #2382 where it is labelled Bonnie Prince Charlie (Fashion). The accompanying note says of it A sample of this tartan was sent to the Lord Lyon by the Hudson Bay Company of Canada who had received it labelled 'Bonny Prince Charlie'. Assumed to be Fashion.

[mookien]

... Further investigation found it in the STA Db as #2382 where it is labelled Bonnie Prince Charlie (Fashion). The accompanying note says of it A sample of this tartan was sent to the Lord Lyon by the Hudson Bay Company of Canada who had received it labelled 'Bonny Prince Charlie'. Assumed to be Fashion.

Thanks. That appears to be the one I "found" at Dalgliesh under the name PCE Stuart. I cannot tell for sure, because the Dalgliesh Tartan Library is unavailable at the moment. I cannot recall the bright blue stripes that are shown on the SRT, but I am probably just mis-remembering the Dalgliesh rendering. I'll check back later.