Now here is the rub. What type of box pleats are we talking about here. Are they the military box pleat or the lower yardage, a la Matt Newsome type. They are two very different beasts. I know Brook was talking about the Matt newsome type, but when Nathan mentions the swish of the box pleat, I am thinking military type. As the OP is a newcomer, I think styles of pleating have to be spelt out completely otherwise folks get very confused. Cheers to all