Royal Baby Question

**Grizzly** · 22nd July 13, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR

Grizzly, not all sons of Princes of the Blood Royal are princes. The sons of HRH Prince Richard Duke of Gloucester, HRH Prince Edward Duke of Kent, and HRH Prince Michael of Kent are not princes. The eldest child of the Duke of Cambridge is a Prince because of the Letters Patent of 1917.

You are quite correct, I did mean the line of the eldest son of the eldest son of the reigning sovereign, I did not make this clear. My apologies.

**JonathanB** · 22nd July 13, 03:09 PM

Since Camilla is Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Cornwall and wife of a prince, she is a princess. Indeed, I've heard her called the de jure Princess of Wales, which she is. It was thought tactless for her to use the title though, although I wouldn't mind at all.

To answer Father Bill's question, I imagine when it comes to precedence, Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Cambridge, would go into dinner in front of her son, His Royal Highness Prince X of Cambridge.

**piperdbh** · 22nd July 13, 03:30 PM

Is his new Highness automatically the prince of Cambridge (and of his father's other holdings) or will he have to wait and see what titles his Gran will bestow on him?

**Grizzly** · 22nd July 13, 03:45 PM

In 1917 King George V restricted the title Royal Highness to children and grand children of a reigning monarch only. If this were still the case then the new baby would not have a title, however our current Queen has stated that William and Catherine's children will be known as his/her Royal Highness Prince(ss)....first name....... Of Cambridge. Other titles would be likely to follow in due course, conferred but not inherited, unless on the death of the current title holder.

**auld argonian** · 22nd July 13, 03:59 PM

I'm just wondering if Prince Charles is going to accept the crown and be king long just long enough to get vested for the pension and then abdicate in favor of William.

....that;s the way they do it here in Chicago....

Seriously...hope the new parents are just blissfully happy...

Best

AA

**Macman** · 22nd July 13, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by piperdbh

Is his new Highness automatically the prince of Cambridge (and of his father's other holdings) or will he have to wait and see what titles his Gran will bestow on him?

Do you mean his Great-Gran

?

**TheOfficialBren** · 22nd July 13, 04:59 PM

Charles will certainly ascend to the throne (it's what he was born and groomed to do for his entire life) upon the death of his mother, the Queen. It is not likely that he would abdicate.

Three cheers for the new prince!

Hip-hip hooray!
Hip-hip hooray!!
Hip-hip hooray!!!

**Chas** · 23rd July 13, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by piperdbh

Is his new Highness automatically the prince of Cambridge (and of his father's other holdings) or will he have to wait and see what titles his Gran will bestow on him?

The simple answer is yes - with his first breath.

In time Her Majesty will die and Charles will become King. The moment that happens, he ceases to be Duke of Cornwall and of Rothsay (as those titles are reserved for the oldest son of the reigning monarch). He also ceases to be Prince of Wales. At that same moment William becomes Duke of Cornwall and of Rothsay and Duke of Cambridge.

Although His Royal Highness Prince X of Cambridge would technically become Prince X of Cornwall in practice he will stay 'of Cambridge'.

William would only become Prince of Wales if created so by his father King Charles - not a guarantee - has not happened in every Reign. The creation of Prince of Wales is seen as a learning/stepping stone to becoming King, but it is debatable, just how effective that is. Edward hated it and Charles tried everything to stop it happening. That is not to say that he hasn't been good at it, because he has been. But in effect it is political expediency and 'good for business' to have a Prince of Wales.

It has been estimated that this birth will have generated £4Billion, so if nothing else, it is good for the economy.

**JonathanB** · 23rd July 13, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by Grizzly

In 1917 King George V restricted the title Royal Highness to children and grand children of a reigning monarch only.

And only the grandchildren who are children of sons: Her Royal Highness Princess Anne, the Princess Royal, Lady Lawrence's daughter is Mrs Michael Tindall. And her husband is not a prince - he is Vice Admiral and knight as a result of his naval career.

**McClef** · 23rd July 13, 06:29 AM

The letters patent also allowed for the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales to be automatically an HRH.

http://www.royalinsight.net/behind-p...rs-patent-1917

So, theoretically, any future brothers or sisters would not automatically be an HRH until they become the grandchildren of the reigning monarch. Had the new arrival been a girl she would have qualified for an HRH title at this stage.