Confused about P/V!

**Alan H** · 8th August 13, 01:07 PM

I make my kilts for athletes from Marton Mills Polyester-Viscose. Are you worried about whether your Polyester-Viscose kilt will stand up to abuse?

I could show you more, but that's enough.

MARTON MILLS POLYESTER VISCOSE. The "other stuff" that people claim is polyester-viscose is not the same stuff. This subject has been gone over, and over and over again, I don't know how many times on this forum.

MARTON MILLS POLYESTER VISCOSE

That's it. Period. By *Far* the best option. The other stuff is not polyester-viscose, and the kilts made by the Gold Brothers, are NOT NOT NOT NOT Polyester-Viscose.

**David Thorpe** · 8th August 13, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by jeanfor

P/V gets wrinkled easily when driving where wool stays much better

Those wrinkles fall out very quickly.

**Alan H** · 8th August 13, 01:14 PM

Someone has tagged this thread with the word "polyviscous" --- I will save my ranting to one or two paragraphs. After all, I haven't posted a good rant on the board in a while!

The fabric is not "polyviscous"

It's POLYESTER-VISCOSE, which, unsurprisingly, is a blend of polyester and viscose. "Viscose" is for all intents and purposes, the same thing as rayon, which is obtained by chemically altering wood fiber....cellulose.

Repeat after me....POLYESTER-VISCOSE

Is is THAT hard to learn the name of the fabric? I mean, we go on and on and on and on about every detail of kilts, day after day and some folks can't learn the name of the the fabric when it's written on this board literally dozens of times every week for years on end... C'mon!

**Alan H** · 8th August 13, 01:16 PM

Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine!

And no, I'm not screaming in front of my computer and pounding my fist on my desk. In fact, I'm just about to go get lunch.

**cryptoman** · 8th August 13, 01:47 PM

Too heavy, I need 8oz and pockets, but on the other hand, if I was keen on Martin's Mill's PV, I'd order 4 yards double width via HoS and let Sport Kilt make me a custom kilt. They do it baby, they do it.

**BCAC** · 9th August 13, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by cryptoman

Too heavy, I need 8oz and pockets, but on the other hand, if I was keen on Martin's Mill's PV, I'd order 4 yards double width via HoS and let Sport Kilt make me a custom kilt. They do it baby, they do it.

Are you sure? 8oz is very, very light. I would even say too light for kilts, but I'm no expert. A kiltmaker will probably be along shortly to comment on that.

**TheOfficialBren** · 9th August 13, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by BCAC

Are you sure? 8oz is very, very light. I would even say too light for kilts, but I'm no expert. A kiltmaker will probably be along shortly to comment on that.

Agreed. My 12 oz Marton Mills P/V from USAK makes a for nice kilt but it is the absolute lightest kilt I ever intend to own (my next one will be 16oz wool).

8oz is, if I'm not mistaken, referred to as "spring weight" amd is intended for shirts and other, lighter garments.

No expert here but a keen observer.

**Steve Ashton** · 9th August 13, 12:13 PM

The Wool Tartan fabrics sold as "Spring Weight" and "Tie Weight" are, on average, 10oz. As an example Lochcarron call their 10oz fabrics "Riever" and this is what most of us use for vests and ties.

Marton Mills P/V is 12oz. Just one ounce lighter than 13oz wool.

Please remember that there is no universal standard for fabric weights. One weaver may measure different from another.
I know of one weaver who lists his fabric as 15oz when in fact it is exactly the same as what other weavers sell as 13oz. This is because he weaves his fabrics 60" wide. That is 216 square inches more per linear yard than a weaver who weaves 54" wide fabric. So of course if you weight on linear yard of 60" fabric it will weigh more than one linear yard of 54" wide fabric.

We here have started to use as a standard "A Fabric Yard". This is equal to one linear yard (36") at 54" wide. Or 1944 square inches.

We know exactly how much Marton Mills fabrics weigh because they list their fabrics by Grams per Square Centemeter.

**TheOfficialBren** · 12th August 13, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by Steve Ashton

The Wool Tartan fabrics sold as "Spring Weight" and "Tie Weight" are, on average, 10oz. As an example Lochcarron call their 10oz fabrics "Riever" and this is what most of us use for vests and ties.

Marton Mills P/V is 12oz. Just one ounce lighter than 13oz wool.

Please remember that there is no universal standard for fabric weights. One weaver may measure different from another.
I know of one weaver who lists his fabric as 15oz when in fact it is exactly the same as what other weavers sell as 13oz. This is because he weaves his fabrics 60" wide. That is 216 square inches more per linear yard than a weaver who weaves 54" wide fabric. So of course if you weight on linear yard of 60" fabric it will weigh more than one linear yard of 54" wide fabric.

We here have started to use as a standard "A Fabric Yard". This is equal to one linear yard (36") at 54" wide. Or 1944 square inches.

We know exactly how much Marton Mills fabrics weigh because they list their fabrics by Grams per Square Centemeter.

Steve,
Is House of Edgar's Nevis range a true 16oz weight or is it closer to 15oz? Just curious. Thank you.