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29th September 04, 12:10 AM
#11
First off, I've been fortunate never to have had my kilt lifted. I prefer it that way-and the only thing I can't stop from tossing it about is the wind.
Second, double standards are becoming rather common in the world-especially where womens fashion is concerned. For some reason, a woman can start the day in a skirt, transfer to a mens suit(not a ladies suit-she can get away with a men's suit) and back to some eveing gown-all in one day. Personally, I don't much fancy wearing womens clothing-and I don't much fancy women wearing men's clothing either. Until enough people put their foot down, a double standard will continue to exist. Wether it is lifting a kilt or a skirt-sure there are differences. Should there be? No. All I know is whenever someone starts pushing for equality, it ends up the ultimate end in people's mind is turning the tables, not equality.
In short, a double standard exists and will exist until enough people speak out against it publicly.
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29th September 04, 01:30 AM
#12
And now for my two cents...
I'd say it's much more disrespectful to lift a lady's skirt than a man's kilt. I generally think that men and women are different and should be treated differently, much to the disappointment of many femminists. For instance, hitting a man isn't nice, but it's been known to happen, whether out of self-defense or ill-temper. No matter how bad it is, it's not nearly as bad as hitting a woman, no matter what the circumstances. Similarly, lifting the skirt of a woman is downright rude, bordering on hostile. Lifting a man's kilt, while it may not be friendly, well, it's still rude, but I guess that I expect men to be able to defend themselves, while women shouldn't have to be put in such a position in the first place. Lifting a man's kilt might be asking for a punch in the nose, but lifting a woman's skirt is much more dishonorable.
Of course, whenever I wear a kilt, I know that half the people I pass are wondering about that age-old question.
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29th September 04, 06:20 AM
#13
The problem, as I view it, is that people may accept that a kilt is a man's garment, but they do not have a comfort level with it.
Social mores need to develop for the wearing of kilts in this day and age.
Casey
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29th September 04, 10:37 AM
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![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by philbo
Lifting a man's kilt might be asking for a punch in the nose, but lifting a woman's skirt is much more dishonorable.
I agree with you on this one, philbo.
I think the difference lies in who does the punching. If you lift a man's kilt [against his will], you're asking for a punch from that man. If you lift a woman's skirt, you're asking for a punch from anyone who saw you do it.
I'm a fan of feminism [proper 'equality feminism', not 'turn the tables feminism'], but when it comes down to it, I was still raised in a society where you don't hit a girl, and you protect her above yourself. I can't help feeling this way, and it's a mental handicap that I'm proud to have.
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29th September 04, 12:29 PM
#15
chivalry is not dead...
but when it comes down to it, I was still raised in a society where you don't hit a girl, and you protect her above yourself. I can't help feeling this way, and it's a mental handicap that I'm proud to have.
Same here. My parents raised me with the idea of chivalry and civility to all. Nice to see that both are not "dead", as many would claim.
Cheers, ![Cheers!](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_beer.gif)
T.
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29th September 04, 05:57 PM
#16
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Casey
The problem, as I view it, is that people may accept that a kilt is a man's garment, but they do not have a comfort level with it.
Social mores need to develop for the wearing of kilts in this day and age.
Casey
I agree completely, and making jokes (or doing a little light lifting) is likely a manifestation of that discomfort.
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