Black watch coarse kilt ?

[Tobus]

About Flower of Scotland, it was quite the rage for a few years back in, what, the 1980s?

Unless I've been hornswaggled again, that tartan was registered by HoE in 1990. Would they have been weaving it and selling it commercially for several years before registering it?

[TheOfficialBren]

I doubt that most Scots would agree that "Flower of Scotland" trumps "Scots Wae Hae" in the area of being the nation's song...

:ducking for cover:

[Mike_Oettle]

Well, I was not impressed when Flower of Scotland replaced Scotland the Brave as the Commonwealth Games anthem for Scotland.
It’s a beautiful piece of music (and the tartan of the same name also is beautiful), but it seems certain people find Scotland the Brave an embarrassment.

[Norbo]

Small differences matter a lot, though, when it comes to tartan. Consider Campbell v. Gordon v. MacKenzie v. Hunting Robertson v. Forbes v. Lamont...

Also, to my knowledge the FoS trtan is always woven in the lighter shades pictured. This makes sense, though, since it's really a fashion tartan. In this way it's very similar to the Isle of Skye tartan.

In deed as I say some are very similar, you have to look quight hard to notice the difference as they are vey suttle . Unless you are an expert and have been around them for some time . For me who has only just got my first kilt and has only been looking for a few months you will have to take my work for it some look almost the same to my eye.

But im glad the one I have is a popular one as I like it a lot

[OC Richard]

I'll correct my post. It was in the 1990s. Thanks!

About some of the tartans you mention, they were simply the Government (Black Watch) tartan done up with added lines, for various regiments, in the late 18th century.

The Gordon Highlanders added a yellow line to match their yellow facings. The Seaforth Highlanders added white and red lines.

Forbes/Lamont was created in 1822 by changing the yellow line of Gordon to white. (See Setts of the Scottish Tartans for a detailed discussion.)

Hunting Robertson has a different ground and looks like Murray of Atholl with one of the red lines changed to white.

BTW the strip diagrams in Setts of the Scottish Tartans make the patterns much more clear than with the actual woven cloth, and make it easier to compare various tartans to see similarities and differences.

[BCAC]

Of course (coarse?) we should not forget HoEs Red Hackle tartan, either.

http://www.houseofedgar.com/acatalog...le_Tartan.html

[figheadair]

Forbes/Lamont was created in 1822 by changing the yellow line of Gordon to white. (See Setts of the Scottish Tartans for a detailed discussion.)

Thanks not the case. Lamont is included in the Cockburn Collection of 1810-15 and Forbes is included in Wilsons' 1819 KPB. Both setts are likely to date from c1800.

Hunting Robertson has a different ground and looks like Murray of Atholl with one of the red lines changed to white.

Or MacKenzie white Red and white reversed.

[TheOfficialBren]

Peter beat me to it (he is the master, we are mere padawans, afterall ) regarding Hunting Robertson. It is, indeed, the MacKenzie sett with the red and white lines reversed.

Peter, I posted an image of Shaw Modern above. I have read (I've forgotten where) that the Shaw tartan was based on an old variant of the Government sett. I have also seen paintings (doubtless from a later date) of Farquar Shaw wearing the sett.

Is this mere romanicism or is there a nugget of truth? Thanks.

[figheadair]

Peter, I posted an image of Shaw Modern above. I have read (I've forgotten where) that the Shaw tartan was based on an old variant of the Government sett. I have also seen paintings (doubtless from a later date) of Farquar Shaw wearing the sett.

Is this mere romanicism or is there a nugget of truth? Thanks.

Shaw is from McIan's The Clans of the Scottish Highlands. In all likelihood it's his error. There is no support for the sett elsewhere.