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8th September 14, 07:20 PM
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I agree with Nathan. It looks like you followed Rocky's directions and he made the kilt to fit you properly.
Holcombe
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8th September 14, 06:21 PM
#2

Sheep Washing in Glen Lyon (1859) by Richard Ansdell has always been one of my most favourite paintings. The men pictured are not wearing pirate/pseudo ghillie shirts, but the shirts they are wearing are homespun garments with what one might refer to as a blousan sleeve. I have a few collar-less shirts like this, with three plain wooden buttons at the neck, some in linen and one in flannel. They are very plain and very comfortable. I do wear them occasionally for chores like splitting logs and working in the garden. Sometimes with, sometimes without a waistcoat, depending upon the weather. They are very comfortable. But because of the Brigadoon factor, I would not wear them to the Highland Games.
I know, no pics-no story, but I'm not in the habit of posing for pics whilst splitting logs - even though my girlfriend is of the opinion that chores are more of a spectator sport when I am so attired.
Orionson
"I seek not to follow in the footsteps of the men of old.
I seek the things they sought." ~ Basho
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9th September 14, 01:35 AM
#3
As a fan of the picture "Gunga din" I like the look of a pith helmet with a kilt, and have been wanting to get one for a while. I really don't like the "jacobite" shirts but I would wear one if I had one.
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9th September 14, 03:09 AM
#4
Personally, I wouldn't wear one of those 'Jacobite' shirts for the reasons given above. I have on occasion worn a fairly loose fitting collarless linen shirt, on hot days walking in the highlands. It appears to be somewhat similar to Orionson's description of his shirt, except my one buttons to the waist. Quite an old photo, and it's from the back, but here you go:-
Ach5 by Richard the Rogue, on Flickr
As for pith helmets, I've never worn one and I suspect I never will. I think they are rather anachronistic no matter where they are worn and if I had to choose headgear for the sun (rare in Scotland, I'll admit), I'd wear my Australian bush hat by Driza-Bone, very similar to this one:-
crackle.jpg
I wear it for sun & rain when walking my dog. My girlfriend hates it (the hat, not the dog. Though sometimes she hates the dog too.)
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8th September 14, 06:58 PM
#5
 Originally Posted by Panache
Even though civilian kilts don't have that military rise, the two straps carried over to civilian dress.
I'm now inordinately concerned that I am wearing my only kilt wrong. It's a USAkilts traditional 8-yarder. I've been wearing it such that the waistband overlaps my lowest ribs (about 2 inches above my belly button), and the apron ends just above the tops of my kneecaps. If I wear it lower it feels wrongly sized, but perhaps I measured wrong in the first place.
On a personal note, I was not aware till @Nathan pointed it out that you were the gentlelaird wearing the safari shirt and pith helmet in the TCHD guide. I did not mean any slight by calling it an affectation. Please forgive me if it seemed so, you wear them very well. I'm sometimes less handy with our language than one ought to be.
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8th September 14, 07:26 PM
#6
 Originally Posted by BadenochWolf
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On a personal note, I was not aware till @ Nathan pointed it out that you were the gentlelaird wearing the safari shirt and pith helmet in the TCHD guide. I did not mean any slight by calling it an affectation. Please forgive me if it seemed so, you wear them very well. I'm sometimes less handy with our language than one ought to be.
I believe it is actually Tobus wearing the pith helmet in the blazing Texas sun near the end of our THCD guide, although Panache deserves credit for being the Xmarks pioneer of that style ith:
- Justitia et fortitudo invincibilia sunt
- An t'arm breac dearg
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9th September 14, 06:42 AM
#7
 Originally Posted by CMcG
I believe it is actually Tobus wearing the pith helmet in the blazing Texas sun near the end of our THCD guide, although Panache deserves credit for being the Xmarks pioneer of that style  ith:
To be technical, what I am wearing is a straw sun helmet (purchased at my local Whole Earth Provision store), not a true pith helmet. Jamie still remains the king of the pith helmet.
I have been very busy with work and personal stuff lately, so I haven't been on the forum as much. I was sort of surprised to see my photo with the sun helmet included in the THCD thread. If you notice my posture and facial expressions in these photos, along with the pipe that I rarely ever smoke, you will see that I was attempting a bit of comedy (in a pseudo-Professor Elemental way). To be honest, I have never worn that sun helmet in public, and the only time I have worn it with the kilt was for these photos.
That said, the sun helmet is a very practical piece of headwear here in the hot South-Central Texas sun. It provides shade while still allowing plenty of ventilation above my scalp. It's a "hard" straw weave that sits over my head with an air gap, much like a hard hat. I've been known to wear it while I'm sitting on a tractor all day, shredding pastures in the sun (when I'm wearing overalls, not a kilt). But yes, if I were to wear it out and about with a kilt, I would personally feel like it was a bit of a costume, even if it's practical. My Tilley hat is usually my preference for that reason.
So I have mixed feelings on it being called THCD. A practical adaptation of kilt attire, perhaps, with a nod towards military use (or even civilian use in tropical climes), but not really traditional Highland wear.
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9th September 14, 07:41 AM
#8
 Originally Posted by Tobus
To be technical, what I am wearing is a straw sun helmet (purchased at my local Whole Earth Provision store), not a true pith helmet. Jamie still remains the king of the pith helmet.
I have been very busy with work and personal stuff lately, so I haven't been on the forum as much. I was sort of surprised to see my photo with the sun helmet included in the THCD thread. If you notice my posture and facial expressions in these photos, along with the pipe that I rarely ever smoke, you will see that I was attempting a bit of comedy (in a pseudo-Professor Elemental way). To be honest, I have never worn that sun helmet in public, and the only time I have worn it with the kilt was for these photos.
That said, the sun helmet is a very practical piece of headwear here in the hot South-Central Texas sun. It provides shade while still allowing plenty of ventilation above my scalp. It's a "hard" straw weave that sits over my head with an air gap, much like a hard hat. I've been known to wear it while I'm sitting on a tractor all day, shredding pastures in the sun (when I'm wearing overalls, not a kilt). But yes, if I were to wear it out and about with a kilt, I would personally feel like it was a bit of a costume, even if it's practical. My Tilley hat is usually my preference for that reason.
So I have mixed feelings on it being called THCD. A practical adaptation of kilt attire, perhaps, with a nod towards military use (or even civilian use in tropical climes), but not really traditional Highland wear.
Thanks for chiming in Tobus. I've amended the label in the THCD thread to show that you are in fact wearing a straw sun helmet and not a pith helmet. That image is found in the Informal (miscellany for activities and practical variations) section, which is described thus:
"It is traditional to be wise about the weather and to alter one’s dress accordingly. While this may sometimes result is a less smart or strictly THCD look, common sense must prevail, which is actually quite traditional! Sartorial accommodations and compromises for different types of activities are also reasonable, although one can still aim at maintaining a generally traditional appearance. In a nutshell, form follows function.
N.B. some variations may been seen among Xmarkers that are not in widespread use and, notwithstanding their practicality, should be understood as idiosyncratic (i.e., pith helmets, spats/gaiters, etc)."
That part of the guide is intended to cover sensible alternatives to the straight-and-narrow of THCD. As such, there are many deviations included that show grey area and the periphery of what could be considered traditional, but they are positioned according to context. Personally, I try to avoid the blazing sun entirely, but if I was kilting under those conditions, I'd probably opt for a Panama or Tilley. A search of Xmarks shows that pith/sun helmets have been worn by a number of Xmarkers, so it bore mentioning in the guide.
While @Panache is the king of the helmet style on Xmarks, @Nathan and I felt that the rest of your outfit was more THCD. Panache's pictures tend to show him wearing his pith helmet with extra flair such as a fly whisk or an outfit that is more "safari." His personal flair is excellent and I think he looks great, but your interpretation looks more traditional.

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9th September 14, 08:54 AM
#9
 Originally Posted by CMcG
Thanks for chiming in Tobus. I've amended the label in the THCD thread to show that you are in fact wearing a straw sun helmet and not a pith helmet. That image is found in the Informal (miscellany for activities and practical variations) section, which is described thus:
"It is traditional to be wise about the weather and to alter one’s dress accordingly. While this may sometimes result is a less smart or strictly THCD look, common sense must prevail, which is actually quite traditional! Sartorial accommodations and compromises for different types of activities are also reasonable, although one can still aim at maintaining a generally traditional appearance. In a nutshell, form follows function.
N.B. some variations may been seen among Xmarkers that are not in widespread use and, notwithstanding their practicality, should be understood as idiosyncratic (i.e., pith helmets, spats/gaiters, etc)."
That part of the guide is intended to cover sensible alternatives to the straight-and-narrow of THCD. As such, there are many deviations included that show grey area and the periphery of what could be considered traditional, but they are positioned according to context. Personally, I try to avoid the blazing sun entirely, but if I was kilting under those conditions, I'd probably opt for a Panama or Tilley. A search of Xmarks shows that pith/sun helmets have been worn by a number of Xmarkers, so it bore mentioning in the guide.
While @ Panache is the king of the helmet style on Xmarks, @ Nathan and I felt that the rest of your outfit was more THCD. Panache's pictures tend to show him wearing his pith helmet with extra flair such as a fly whisk or an outfit that is more "safari." His personal flair is excellent and I think he looks great, but your interpretation looks more traditional.

Thanks to you, @Nathan, and @Panache for putting together helpful guides for newbies. My apologies to you all for confusing your and Nathan's master work on THCD with Jamie's great "one kilt ten looks." Both are spectacularly informative and useful.
Last edited by BadenochWolf; 9th September 14 at 11:22 AM.
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9th September 14, 08:41 AM
#10
 Originally Posted by Tobus
To be technical, what I am wearing is a straw sun helmet (purchased at my local Whole Earth Provision store), not a true pith helmet. Jamie still remains the king of the pith helmet.
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If you notice my posture and facial expressions in these photos, along with the pipe that I rarely ever smoke, you will see that I was attempting a bit of comedy (in a pseudo-Professor Elemental way). To be honest, I have never worn that sun helmet in public, and the only time I have worn it with the kilt was for these photos.
It seems I can recall my XMTS commenters, even if I can't recall which post I saw them in. Your picture in sun helmet, while very illustrative, was not what caused me to wonder about historical affectation. It was @Panache in pith helmet, safari shirt, black watch tartan, and loam hose with fly-whisk in hand that left me bemused. I wonder if he would concede that particular outfit, as presented, does sail fine against militaristic costumery?
I'm sorry you rarely use your pipe. I had hoped I had found a fellow kilted briarman. My time with my pipes are a much needed respite from a hectic world. I need it for my sense of well being quite as much as I need time in prayer with my Maker, or time with the Missus. Is there something in particular you find objectionable?
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