Stillwater Black Watch Kilt

[Raymond]

To be honest, I was put off by the person who brought up child labor. I have been very happy with Stillwater Kilts being a new kilt wearer. I was impressed that he had it shipped out and also answered email in a prompt manner.

Being a kilt community we need to support the few kilt stores that we have in the world and especially those who are able to sell affordable kilts to newbies like me who does not have $300 to drop on a first time kilt.

The post with the child labor should have been deleted due to political views, seeing that this forum is very hard in applying the rules. It was a personal dig at a company that personally is unfounded and could possibly damage the good name of a forum sponsor.

My two cents.

Ray

[bwat]

I'd like to say that I'm writing this wearing a PV kilt that was probably made in Pakistan/China/some low-wage land. Also, I know nothing of the processes used in the manufacture of the Stillwater kilts and make no claims about them either.

The post with the child labor should have been deleted due to political views, seeing that this forum is very hard in applying the rules.

Child labour and overall conditions for the global workforce should concern us all. Last year over 1000 people died and over 2000 were injured in Bangladesh when a building collapsed and as far as I know they were all working in the rag trade. To put it into perspective for UK/USA readers, that's about four Lockerbie air disasters or one of the twin towers on September 11th.

Being a kilt community we need to support the few kilt stores that we have in the world and especially those who are able to sell affordable kilts to newbies like me who does not have $300 to drop on a first time kilt.

If the Hypothetical Kilt Company makes cheap kilts using slave labour and manufacturing processes making use of toxic chemicals (some of which can be found in the end product) should we as a community support them due to the affordability of the kilts?

There may be people here who can shed some light on how our kilts are manufactured so we can make our own decisions. Not discussing it would mean we'd be reaching conclusions based upon hearsay and fantasy. I know I'd like to know more.

[Mike S]

I have several of Stillwater's Heavy Weight Wool Kilts, and they are great for the price.

I did alter it by removing the excess pleat material over the kidney area, stitching them down, and sewing in a proper interfacing as is done with bespoke kilts. This removes the bulkiness from that area, and negates the only real compromise in the construction.

Superb value for money with these. I'm not sure just what is different with the less expensive Economy Wool model as I don't own one of those.

[Father Bill]

Moved to the Cooling Off Corner pending resolution of a flag and... just to cool off. One post also deleted pending discussion by the moderators.

Father Bill for the Forum Moderators.

[Father Bill]

Thread restored to the open forum with a warning that in future criticisms are to be made via the "Flag A Post" system, not on the open forum.

Father Bill for the Forum Moderators.

[Mel1721L]

To be honest, I was put off by the person who brought up child labor. I have been very happy with Stillwater Kilts being a new kilt wearer. I was impressed that he had it shipped out and also answered email in a prompt manner.

Being a kilt community we need to support the few kilt stores that we have in the world and especially those who are able to sell affordable kilts to newbies like me who does not have $300 to drop on a first time kilt.

The post with the child labor should have been deleted due to political views, seeing that this forum is very hard in applying the rules. It was a personal dig at a company that personally is unfounded and could possibly damage the good name of a forum sponsor.

My two cents.

Ray

I thought I'd made it clear I was referring to the cheapness of things from the Indian sub continent in general, not that this company knowingly used it.

[Father Bill]

Yes. Accepting and agreeing to your explanation, let's all drop it from here on. It's gotten nasty once, and we don't need it to go there again.

[opositive]

i always take the opportunity to praise the stillwater budget black watch. i happened to wear mine again this past weekend for a pub trip. another option for a starter kilt is the utkilts wool kilt, which is a lighter weight wool (good for summer)--fine for casual wear. but i think the black watch will last longer. of course these come from pakistan. so what? not everyone can or should buy a tank out of the blocks. if the kilt bug stays with you, with patience, eventually you will find some great second hand kilts for the budget minded or save up for your own custom.

[Raymond]

I thought I'd made it clear I was referring to the cheapness of things from the Indian sub continent in general, not that this company knowingly used it.

I was not referring to your post Mel. I really do not wish to discuss cheapness, child labor or cancer causing dies. The topic is Stillwater kilts, that is where my interest lies. Thanks

[Father Bill]

Fellows, I thought I made myself clear. This discussion is finished. Consider this a formal shot across the bow. The next steps could be closing the thread and flagging posts.

Stop it!

Father Bill