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28th June 16, 06:03 AM
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Ah! Thank you for the heads up, sir. I love the elegance of the older styles but I can see your point, especially coming from someone like you who has probably seen every tartan under the sun!
Might you have any suggestions for modifications? Thank you.
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28th June 16, 07:38 AM
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I like 'em! Especially the one with the yellow stripe. Let us suppose you decided to have them woven (or have anything woven), where would your preference be for weaving?
Regards,
Tom
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29th June 16, 03:50 AM
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The Manroth tartan is even closer to your desogn with the yellow stripe.
The problen with decorated blue, green and black setts is that there are a lot of variations on a theme already in existance. That said, so long as your design is unique and you don't want to register it in the NTR (there's no requirement) then something similar is not a problem unless it's likely to be confused with a tartan protected by Design Registration.
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29th June 16, 08:44 AM
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 Originally Posted by figheadair
The Manroth tartan is even closer to your desogn with the yellow stripe.
The problen with decorated blue, green and black setts is that there are a lot of variations on a theme already in existance. That said, so long as your design is unique and you don't want to register it in the NTR (there's no requirement) then something similar is not a problem unless it's likely to be confused with a tartan protected by Design Registration.
I do not want to derail the thread here so if this information would be best discussed elsewhere I understand. But this has me curious on a few things.
First what are the criteria for a design being different enough for it to qualify for registration? Second, the tartan we designed in memory of my father was recently approved for registration and we received the certificate of registration. I know it is listed on the Register of Tartans website, is this the same as being registered in the NTR? Are there other places a tartan can (or should) be registered?
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29th June 16, 10:38 AM
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 Originally Posted by NPG
I do not want to derail the thread here so if this information would be best discussed elsewhere I understand. But this has me curious on a few things.
First what are the criteria for a design being different enough for it to qualify for registration? Second, the tartan we designed in memory of my father was recently approved for registration and we received the certificate of registration. I know it is listed on the Register of Tartans website, is this the same as being registered in the NTR? Are there other places a tartan can (or should) be registered?
1. The criterion is that a new design is to be 'signifcantly different' so as not to be confused with an existing design. Having opened that can of worms I'm tempted to run for cover. I sit on the Tartan Advisory Group, it is not always an easy task to get agreement but our overarching concern is that a design should be technically and visually sufficently different. We don't always agree and ultimately the descison rests with the Keeper of the Register.
2.. NTR = National Register of Tartans which is administered by the National Archieves of Scotland. The is no requirement to register a design with the NTR, nor does it have the largest record of designs, that is held by the STA but note too that their online Db is only a sub-set of their full data. We, the STA keepa record of all designs that we come across and continually work to refi e and update the information on each to provide the best historical record for future generations.
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29th June 16, 11:15 AM
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 Originally Posted by figheadair
1. The criterion is that a new design is to be 'signifcantly different' so as not to be confused with an existing design. Having opened that can of worms I'm tempted to run for cover. I sit on the Tartan Advisory Group, it is not always an easy task to get agreement but our overarching concern is that a design should be technically and visually sufficently different. We don't always agree and ultimately the descison rests with the Keeper of the Register.
2.. NTR = National Register of Tartans which is administered by the National Archieves of Scotland. The is no requirement to register a design with the NTR, nor does it have the largest record of designs, that is held by the STA but note too that their online Db is only a sub-set of their full data. We, the STA keepa record of all designs that we come across and continually work to refi e and update the information on each to provide the best historical record for future generations.
Thank you I appreciate this information. While we appear to have been lucky with my father's tartan, my mother has expressed a desire to be honored in the same way, so I was wondering if there was a set of rules. But it sounds like we'll have to take our chances that it might not be approved.
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29th June 16, 11:42 AM
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 Originally Posted by NPG
Thank you I appreciate this information. While we appear to have been lucky with my father's tartan, my mother has expressed a desire to be honored in the same way, so I was wondering if there was a set of rules. But it sounds like we'll have to take our chances that it might not be approved.
That's it in a nutshell. I had a look at the 'advice' on the Register' webpage. It's a bit wishy-washy!
How to apply to register a tartan
To apply to register a tartan, you need to have designed a unique tartan for which you must provide a threadcount, an image and a proposed tartan name. We strongly advise you to submit an application to register your tartan before having it woven to ensure it meets the criteria for registration.
Criteria for registration
The Scottish Register of Tartans Act has established clear criteria for the inclusion of a tartan in the Register:
a new tartan must meet the definition of tartan contained in the Scottish Register of Tartans Act (2008)
it must be a new design, unique to the Register, and
there must be a clear link between the person registering the tartan and the proposed tartan name.
Actualy, it has to be more that a new design, unique to the Register , it has to be unique, period. We've had a couple of instances when the registration staff were content because an old design wasn't on The Register and so their view was that a new design would met the criterion in the Act. Clearly that is flawed in that individuals might therefore assume that their design was unquie whereas it wasn't in such a case.
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 Originally Posted by figheadair
The Manroth tartan is even closer to your desogn with the yellow stripe.
The problen with decorated blue, green and black setts is that there are a lot of variations on a theme already in existance. That said, so long as your design is unique and you don't want to register it in the NTR (there's no requirement) then something similar is not a problem unless it's likely to be confused with a tartan protected by Design Registration.
Oh, my! The resemblance is uncanny! It's back to the drawing board then. What a pity. I quite like the design best of all the ones I've created thusfar.
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