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31st October 16, 07:37 AM
#71
Bill,
"A Proud Canadian who actually knows what Canada is, and it sure as the dickens isn't what some of you seem to think it is."
I'm greatly saddened by your distress. I don't think either Jock or I have ever said a thing against Canada. In fact my only mention of Canada was to compare it with Scotland.
Alan
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31st October 16, 08:11 AM
#72
 Originally Posted by neloon
Bill,
"A Proud Canadian who actually knows what Canada is, and it sure as the dickens isn't what some of you seem to think it is."
I'm greatly saddened by your distress. I don't think either Jock or I have ever said a thing against Canada. In fact my only mention of Canada was to compare it with Scotland.
Alan
No, you didn't. What you miss is how "Scottish" Canada is, something you wouldn't experience from your end.
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31st October 16, 08:26 AM
#73
Originally Posted by Father Bill
To me it seems to keep coming back to this: "I'm not Scottish in any way as far as some of you are concerned, and therefore I should sell my kilts and kit to a real Scot and never wear tartan again." The way it comes across to me, I guess I should see Scots and kilties as foreigners with whom I've nothing in common whatever despite pride in my heritage and ancestors, my love of kilts and Scottish culture - a love I should probably set aside.
A lot of what is being said is very, very depressing and hurtful to me. I'm not saying that's the intent, but it is the way it sounds and feels to this Canadian - citizen of a nation with I believe, nineteen Scottish regiments, which I suppose you think are just Canadians masquerading as Scots, and a proud history of Scottish settlers.
I darned near sold it all and quit when I first joined this forum because of a similar discussion. For all that I have learned here, and for all the friends I've made, I think I'd be a lot less upset if I just quit XMarks said to the Devil with you, and enjoyed myself doing as I darned-well please.
There's the potential for a world of hurt here, and while you may say it's about straight speaking and being thick-skinned, I don't agree. I think it's about being nasty, rude, and inconsiderate, and yes I'm hurt because it seems I'm not good enough for you or welcome in your very exclusive and dying little club.
You can say all you want that it's not what you intend; it's what comes to my mind in what I'm reading. No apologies for what I think or feel.
Bill
A Proud Canadian who actually knows what Canada is, and it sure as the dickens isn't what some of you seem to think it is.
My sentiments too Father Bill...when I first found this site not too long ago I thought this would be fun and educational.
It has been mostly educational. I too, after a few comments and referrals to older threads, almost sold everything and said to H with this attitude.
My wife and I'd planned a trip to Scotland for the Clan gather the Duke of Buccleuch holds every 5 years but we no longer will attend.....it appears it is simply an economic deal and nothing more, unless the locals can also get a good laugh out of the event with those silly foreigners and their genealogy, insecurity and desperateness.
It makes one feel the rube for buying into a nationally scripted economic package.
De Oppresso Liber
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31st October 16, 08:28 AM
#74
Makes me wonder how many members we've lost over the years from this stuck-up, condescending talk.
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31st October 16, 08:29 AM
#75
Originally Posted by Jock Scot
I know of such institutions in a vague sort of way, so it would be unfair to comment too deeply. Nevertheless in spite of the original good intentions they are obviously failing in educating Americans with Scottish genes what is really going on in Scotland these days and nor are they understanding what the Scots actually think! 
Here is a good book, the Roster of members; show who was in the org when it was founded, as well as some commentary on its work prior to WWI. Might give you some insight into the whole deal. These societies are all over the world, I was a member of one in the Republic of Panama during the early to mid 1990's while stationed overseas. A mix of Expat Scots and Americans.
https://archive.org/details/rosterofsaintand00sain
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31st October 16, 09:00 AM
#76
Originally Posted by Father Bill
No, you didn't. What you miss is how "Scottish" Canada is, something you wouldn't experience from your end.
Bill,
I have been trying to think of long-past posts which I cannot find but I remember saying that I thought Andrea Beaton's fiddle playing is 110% Scottish - here she is at Celtic Colours *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QacpHUd_a4
and I recall noting this link to some lovely Canadian dancers so I will link it again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MvU2VFAuOM
I think small countries are generally more clued up about large countries than vice versa so we are aware that Canada is unreasonably good at curling and the "Worlds" regularly reminds us about Canadian pipe band prowess.
* She must be a Mum by now?
Alan
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31st October 16, 09:20 AM
#77
Scottish Place names in Canada Part 1.
Banff, Alberta
Alberta
Calgary, Alberta
The three peaks of Three Sisters Mountain at Canmore, Alberta
Michelsen Farmstead a Provincial Historic Site of Alberta, located in the National Historic Site, Stirling Agricultural Village
British Columbia
Abbotsford, BC
Manitoba
Rural municipalities -
New Brunswick
J.C. Van Horne Bridge crossing between Campbellton and Pointe-à-la-Croix, Quebec
Glenlevit Glencoe Dundee
Newfoundland and Labrador
Campbellton, Newfoundland and Labrador
Nova Scotia
A satellite photo of Nova Scotia.
Tartan of Nova Scotia
"Nova Scotia" is the Latin for New Scotland
Northwest Territories
The Northwest Territories also contain three places with Scottish surnames: Fort Simpson, Fort McPherson and Rae (Although now collectively known with Edzo as Behchoko).
Nunavut
Clyde River, Nunavut
Ontario
West Elgin Arena
Ballantrae, Ontario
The Grand River Bridge, which carries Argyle St. over the Grand River in Caledonia, Ontario
The Walker House, oldest house in Kincardine, Ontario
The McDougall Mill Museum by the Bonnechere River, Renfrew Ontario
Drummond
- Aberdeen, Grey County
- Aberdeen, Prescott and Russell County
- Aberfeldy
- Aberfoyle
- Achray
- Ailsa Craig
- Alloa
- Angus
- Angus Glen
- Ardbeg
- Ardoch
- Armadale
- Armstrong, Thunder Bay District
- Armstrong Township, Armstrong Corners and Armstrong Mills
- Arnprior
- Arranvale (Isle of Arran)
- Athol, Prince Edward County
- Athol, Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry United Counties
- Avonmore
- Ayr
- Ayton
- Badenoch
- Bainsville
- Bairds
- Ballantrae
- Ballinafad
- Bannockburn
- Baxter
- Bell Ewart
- Berriedale (Berriedale, Sutherland)
- Berwick
- Bisset Creek
- Bothwell
- Boyds (Surname, derived from Bute)
- Brechin
- Brucedale
- Bruce Mines
- Bruce Peninsula
- Bruce Station
- Cairngorm
- Caledon
- Caledon East
- Caledonia
- Caledonia Springs
- Callander
- Campbellcroft
- Campbellford
- Campbellville
- Cargill
- Clachan
- Cockburn Island
- Coldstream
- Colgan
- Craigleith
- Craigmont
- Cromarty
- Crombie
- Cruikshank
- Dalhousie Lake
- Dalhousie Mills
- Dalkeith
- Dalmeny
- Dalrymple
- Doon
- Drummond
- Dundas
- Dundonald
- Dunedin (Dunedin, poetic name for Edinburgh/Dun Eideann)
- Dunkeld
- Dunvegan
- Dysart et al. (Dysart)
- East Tay Point (Tay)
- Elgin
- Elgin County, Ontario
- Farquhar
- Fergus
- Ferguslea
- Ferguson Corners, Ferguson Falls and Fergusons Beach
- Galbraith
- Gillies Hill
- Gilmour
- Glasgow
- Glen
- Glen Buell
- Glenburn
- Glenburnie
- Glen Cross
- Glenfield
- Glen Huron
- Glencairn
- Glencoe
- Glenelg Centre
- Glen Major
- Glen Nevis
- Glenora
- Glen Robertson
- Glenview
- Glenville
- Glen Williams
- Gorrie
- Greenock
- Haliburton
- Hamilton
- Hampden
- Henderson
- Innerkip
- Inverary
- Inverhuron (inbhir, meaning river mouth + Huron)
- Invermay
- Iona and Iona Station
- Jura, Ontario
- Katrine (Loch Katrine)
- Kilsyth
- Kinburn
- Kincardine
- Kinghorn
- Kinmount
- Kintail
- Kirkfield
- Laggan
- Laird
- Lake Dalrymple (Dalrymple)
- Lamlash
- Lammermoor
- Lanark
- Leith
- Lochalsh, Algoma District
- Lochalsh, Huron County
- Lochwinnoch
- Lowther
- McAlpine Corners
- Macdiarmid
- MacDonald Bay
- MacDonald's Grove
- MacDuff
- MacGillivrays Bridge
- Mackenzie
- MacKenzie Point
- MacLarens Landing
- MacLean Park
- MacTier
- Maitland, Huron County
- Maitland, United Counties of Leeds and Grenville
- Malcolm
- Maxwell, Grey County
- Maxwell, Hastings County
- Maxwells
- Minto
- Moffat
- Monteith
- Moray
- Morven
- Nairn, Middlesex County
- Nairn Centre
- Napier
- New Dundee
- New Glasgow
- New Scotland, Chatham-Kent
- New Scotland, Regional Municipality of York
- Paisley
- Perth
- Perth Road Village
- Port Elgin
- Raith
- Rankin, Nipissing District
- Rankin, Renfrew County
- Rannoch
- Ratho
- Renfew
- Renfrew Junction
- Rutherford
- Rutherglen
- Scone
- Scotch Block
- Scotch Bush, Hastings County and Scotch Bush, Renfrew County
- Scotch Corners
- Scotia
- Selkirk
- Speyside
- St. Andrews
- Staffa, Perth County
- Stirling
- Tarbert
- Tartan
- Tay
- Tweed
- West Elgin (Elgin)
- West Lorne (Lorne)
- Wick
Rev'd Father Bill White: Mostly retired Parish Priest & former Elementary Headmaster. Lover of God, dogs, most people, joy, tradition, humour & clarity. Legion Padre, theologian, teacher, philosopher, linguist, encourager of hearts & souls & a firm believer in dignity, decency, & duty. A proud Canadian Sinclair with solid Welsh and other heritage.
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31st October 16, 09:21 AM
#78
Scottish Place Names in Canada Part 2
Prince Edward Island
The Prince Edward Island Preserve Company in New Glasgow
Panorama of a river bank in New Glasgow.
Quebec
Saskatchewan
Church at Abernethy, Saskatchewan
The town of Coronach was originally named after a horse; however, the original meaning of coronach is a Gaelic lament.
Yukon
Mackenzie Mountains
Rev'd Father Bill White: Mostly retired Parish Priest & former Elementary Headmaster. Lover of God, dogs, most people, joy, tradition, humour & clarity. Legion Padre, theologian, teacher, philosopher, linguist, encourager of hearts & souls & a firm believer in dignity, decency, & duty. A proud Canadian Sinclair with solid Welsh and other heritage.
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31st October 16, 09:25 AM
#79
Please note that while geographically huge, Canada has a small population, and, as any decent map will show you, has far less communities than its size would suggest, yet note that even in our two French speaking provinces, Quebec and New Brunswick there is a plethora of Scottish names.
Gee! I wonder why they were used! (Sarcasm for those who don't get it.)
Canada is a very Scottish nation. Scots are the third largest ethnic group in Canada with 4,714,970,or 15.1% of the nation's total population.
But we should never call ourselves Scottish Canadians? Bollocks! It's what we are.
Rev'd Father Bill White: Mostly retired Parish Priest & former Elementary Headmaster. Lover of God, dogs, most people, joy, tradition, humour & clarity. Legion Padre, theologian, teacher, philosopher, linguist, encourager of hearts & souls & a firm believer in dignity, decency, & duty. A proud Canadian Sinclair with solid Welsh and other heritage.
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31st October 16, 09:35 AM
#80
Bill,
I think at least 3 of my schoolmates became Professors at Canadian universities. They all wore the kilt in those days so they probably still do
Alan
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