Oxfords with kilt

[Father Bill]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothel_creeper

[KMCMICHAEL]

I remember reading the term “brothel creeper” in an old article about the Prince of Whales visit to the US long before that. Not the current one, the one that abdicated.. They were suede and matched his suit.

[FossilHunter]

I did not coin the phrase!

Maybe I am showing my age, but the term was used for thick soled shoes, in the 1950's/60's/70's and perhaps the 80's and possibly longer. I bet if you googled the term, something will pop up about that style of shoe.

I did manage to find them in the same article father Bill posted. They don’t look like I’d have imagined. I expected more red velvet and lace for some reason .

I have never seen them in person but it suggests that they are somewhat common with counter culture fashions.

[Taj]

Glad someone asked this question. I need new shoes and was considering cap toes as they are easier to find on the shelf in my very narrow size. Wingtips would be special order. 12AA just isn't stocked these days.

[kingandrew]

When I was in high school(mid-80s) and often influenced by 1950s fashions, I owned a pair of blue suede creepers. I believe I still have them in storage in Florida.

They were just the thing with black pegged pants, a pink shirt, and my leopard skin jacket(and my much more plentiful hair). They wouldn't look right with the kilt though.

Andrew

[Bruce Scott]

I remember reading the term “brothel creeper” in an old article about the Prince of Whales visit to the US long before that. Not the current one, the one that abdicated.. They were suede and matched his suit.

Found this:
The Windsor Style by Suzy Menkes (Publishing Date:1988)
The Windsor Style on page 102 refers to the Prince of Wales (Edward VIII/Duke of Windsor) visiting New York in 1924 wearing a pair of tan suede "Brothel Creepers": "The Prince had scandalized society by arriving in New York in 1924 wearing tan suede brothel creepers with a wide-lapelled double-breasted light grey suit." The Duke of Windsor is quoted as saying regarding this incident: "I noticed that my American friends were looking down at my feet with some embarrassment," he says, "Finally someone explained that the wearing of these shoes in America was regarded as effeminate, to say the least of it." There was no photo or illustration of the brothel creepers that the Duke of Windsor is here referring to, so there would be no way to know if the shoe he is referring to the same style of shoe as mentioned in this article. It does perhaps indicate that the term " brothel creeper" could have been in use in the 1920's

http://moustachedmusings.blogspot.co...-creepers.html

[Liam]

Prince of Whales

Don’t you love auto correct ....

[SunriseEarth]

When I was in high school(mid-80s) and often influenced by 1950s fashions, I owned a pair of blue suede creepers. I believe I still have them in storage in Florida.

They were just the thing with black pegged pants, a pink shirt, and my leopard skin jacket(and my much more plentiful hair). They wouldn't look right with the kilt though.

Andrew

If ever a post needed pictures, it was this one.

[FossilHunter]

Don’t you love auto correct ....

I think he was referring to this guy... ;)



Long live the Prince of Whales!

[Steve Ashton]

Oh what a perfect moment for me to get pendantic.

The words "Oxford" and "Brogue" have been used in this thread quite a lot. I wonder how many of our members know what those words mean?

The term "Oxford" has to do how the shoe is made. If you look at the bottom of where the shoe laces are on different shoes you may notice that some laces are open at the bottom and some are closed.
There are two open styles called "Blucher" and "Derby". The closed style called "Oxford".



The term "Brogue" refers to the decorative pattern of holes you see on some shoes.

One shoe has the "Broguing"of holes on a distinctive toe cap called a "Wing Tip". The term "Wing Tip" has become confused in N. America with the hole pattern much like the term plaid is confused with Tartan. In the UK this shoe is often called a "Half Brogue".



A "Full Brogue"has a different pattern down the side.

Many people would not be able to make the distinction to call this a "Full Brogued Blucher" and would think they are seeing a wingtip.



There can also be the "Broguing"on just the toe cap to create a "Quarter Brogue".



And sometimes this hole pattering can be the absolute minimum. This is a toe cap oxford which is also brogued.



So technically this shoe is called "A Ghillied Half Brogue Oxford"



Oh gee, that was fun.