Thanks or the advice Hamish, since I placed my message (before I read your message!) I have ordered a couple of enameled badges of the Saltire Cross and probably intended for the lapels of a jacket. I figured I could use them in any case but wanted to try one as a kilt-pin. It really does surprise me that your badges got lost. Unless.......can you remember if it was on an occassion when you removed your jacket and left it unattended? I just put in a suggestion in the other thread for an Xmarks the Scot kilt pin which is in process. See what you think of that. - Alan