Tweed kilts as more than Day Wear?

[FossilHunter]

Very true Jock. Military apples do not equal civilian apples, but they can cross pollinate and influence each other. The first example I can think of is the old Napoleonic Sideburns. A civilian fashion influences military fashion, which turns around and influences civilian fashion.

Back to the last question though, does Hodden Grey meet the definition of tweed? And as civilians, are we applying the tweed standards for formality upon such a kilt or treating it as a normal kilt would?

I don’t think hodden is exactly the same as tweed but it is a coarse cloth like tweed is. I’d probably view and use it in the same way. I think it would contrast the finer cloth of black tie in an unflattering way.

That’s a personal opinion only though.

It appears that the London regiment has gray doublets and it looks alright. Maybe with a gray barathea argyle or Prince Charlie? I don’t know I just have a hard time imagining it looking good outside of a uniform.

Here is Prince Edward in his uniform as royal honorary colonel of he London Scottish regiment.


From dailymail.co.uk

[Arnot]

It appears that the London regiment has gray doublets and it looks alright. Maybe with a gray barathea argyle or Prince Charlie? I don’t know I just have a hard time imagining it looking good outside of a uniform.

I think it could be done, as shown in the photo below. I got the photo from The London Scottish Pipes and Drums Facebook page.

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[Jock Scot]

I note that those in Arnot’s picture are not in formal attire.Yes a black kilt jacket can be worn with a hodden grey kilt and very effectively by three, I assume, of the band members as I note the attire of three of them wearing is near enough exactly the same and the forth is wearing a PC and no bow tie. This particular outfit does not work to my eye. All this is an example of what I have been talking about in other threads recently where military and pipe band ———including civilian pipe band ———attire traditions differ from Traditional Highland Civilian Dress (THCD) and is a perfect example of my point.

[FossilHunter]

I note that those in Arnot’s picture are not in formal attire.Yes a black kilt jacket can be worn with a hodden grey kilt and very effectively by three, I assume, of the band members as I note the attire of three of them wearing is near enough exactly the same and the forth is wearing a PC and no bow tie. This particular outfit does not work to my eye. All this is an example of what I have been talking about in other threads recently where military and pipe band ———including civilian pipe band ———attire traditions differ from Traditional Highland Civilian Dress (THCD) and is a perfect example of my point.

With the exception of the PC, wouldn’t the outfits fall under “day formal” since they are in bbsa jackets and neckties? Or do the informal sporrans throw it off?

[Jock Scot]

With the exception of the PC, wouldn’t the outfits fall under “day formal” since they are in bbsa jackets and neckties? Or do the informal sporrans throw it off?

Well no. They are bandsmen----I assume----therefore they are under band attire conventions. Again you assist me with the point that I am trying to make. There is a difference of thinking between Traditional kilt attire and band attire and lumping them together just leads us down a blind alley.

Remember, the black barathea silver buttoned Argyll(BBSBA) is the kilt(THCD)equivalent of the Saxon attire morning coat (morning dress). You don't see many civilian 'saxon" bandsmen playing in morning dress do you? Can you now see what I am getting at?