P.C. jacket questions

[Grump]

Interesting posts. I can't help but think that winged shirts were an excuse for having run out of material to make a proper collar. Almost as bad as shirt showing above the buckle which may have been caused by that extra push to make a stiff reed sound high A properly!

[kingandrew]

Grump-

The winged collar is a very old style. It was the most common style during the Victorian era and right through World War I. For a long time, the collars were removable, so that you could wash your dirty collar while still getting another day's wear out of the shirt. Men with less money wore disposable paper collars. I remember finding a box of them when cleaning out the "trunk room" in my house in Florida, which was built by my great-grandfather in 1917.

The Prince of Wales (later Duke of Windsor) popularized the "turndown" collar for formal dress during the 1920s-30s. He was quite influential in menswear generally and introduced a number of items and details that remain popular and "traditional" today.

I tend to favor the wing collar for black tie, myself, but I am generally partial to the "historical" sorts of styles, especially for formal events. Others may have different preferences.

Happy kilting,
Andrew

[Jock Scot]

I well remember my fathers cutting comment of some 60 years ago when my brother turned out to some evening do wearing a wing collar! To quote;"Take that damn shirt off! You look like a Dickensian clerk!'' My brother had the last laugh though, my father bought him half a dozen shirts with suitable drop down collars to stop him borrowing his father's shirts!