Another Wedding Thread

**Jock Scot** · 3rd September 22, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by DCampbell16B

https://www.ccsna.org/chief-of-clan-campbell

A little over half way down this page is a picture of the present Duke of Argyll at his wedding. Tweed jacket and fairly plain sporran. Here is another reliable source of kilted wedding guidance.

I think many new to kilt attire and some not so new, do not know or perhaps do not understand that a tweed jacket in kilt attire terms is not a sports jacket, but is the suit equivalent. There is no sports jacket equivalent with kilt attire. Well alright, perhaps the sixty year old torn and threadbare tweed jacket will be worn as a sports jacket for mowing the lawn or for wearing down to the local for a quick pint. Also, I think some discretion is required when wearing LOUD tweed patterns to some events such as a wedding, or for going out for a meal in the evening with the wife, although modest tweed patterns may work well.

**BadenochWolf** · 3rd September 22, 10:41 AM

Congratulations on your forthcoming nuptials! I recently committed matrimony, kilted, Stateside. I chose to wear a tweed Argyll rather than the more formal black. The one sartorial concession to my beloved was the Fly Plaid (apologies to the purists here, the lass loves the look). This made wearing of decorations impossible, so I went with the US Army tartan, instead. You can judge for yourselves how successful the look was.

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**Wingnut037** · 8th February 23, 02:24 PM

Placed my order for a hand stitched Graham of Menteith muted kilt, and going with a light blue tweed jacket. Venturing into some shoe shops while I'm out in Ayr for the week to get one more bit sorted.

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**piperalpha** · 9th February 23, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by Wingnut037

Placed my order for a hand stitched Graham of Menteith muted kilt, and going with a light blue tweed jacket. Venturing into some shoe shops while I'm out in Ayr for the week to get one more bit sorted.

Thats very exciting!!!

**McMurdo** · 9th February 23, 05:46 PM

That is a wonderful tartan. I'm looking forward to seeing the entire outfit together.

**OC Richard** · 12th February 23, 05:35 AM

Lovely choices there!

As per Jock Scot's advice, for sure when I look back over vintage photos of weddings in Scotland the men are in Day Dress.

Note they're wearing the ubiquitous brown leather Day sporrans. The concept of "semi-dress" sporrans didn't arrive until the 1970s.

I note that in 1910 this author calls his outfit with tweed jacket, plain hose, ordinary brogues, and plain brown leather sporran "Morning Dress" which well fits into the wedding photos Jock posted above.

It wasn't until around World War One that bowties and spats ceased to be worn with men's informal Highland Dress. He's also wearing the high shirt collar of those times. Other than the shirt, tie, and spats Day Dress hasn't changed much over the last century.

**Wingnut037** · 12th February 23, 08:17 AM

Interesting on the kilt pin placement in that 3rd photo. A bit higher than what I see lately. Thanks for all the replies.

**Jock Scot** · 20th February 23, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by OC Richard

Lovely choices there!

As per Jock Scot's advice, ---------------

I note that in 1910 this author calls his outfit with tweed jacket, plain hose, ordinary brogues, and plain brown leather sporran "Morning Dress" which well fits into the wedding photos Jock posted above.

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Hummm, we need to be careful here. I would call a tweed jacket and plain(ish) sporran, day attire-------suit equivalent----- and the Black Barathea Silver Buttoned Argyll(BBSBA) , drop down tie and a slightly more elaborate(if one wishes)sporran as the more formal morning attire-------- a tailed morning coat equivalent-----.

I don't know if we are suffering the cursed mixed terminology syndrome that Scottish tailors are prone to have with attire, but to my knowledge from !940 onwards as far as I am aware, tweed attire has been suit equivalent and the BBSBA has been formal day attire. Of course since the 1970's the kilt hire industry has muddied the waters even more with their often conflicting and inaccurate advice, sadly illustrated so well with their myriad of unhelpful internet pictures.

**piperalpha** · 20th February 23, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

Hummm, we need to be careful here. I would call a tweed jacket and plain(ish) sporran, day attire-------suit equivalent----- and the Black Barathea Silver Buttoned Argyll(BBSBA) , drop down tie and a slightly more elaborate(if one wishes)sporran as the more formal morning attire-------- a tailed morning coat equivalent-----.

I don't know if we are suffering the cursed mixed terminology syndrome that Scottish tailors are prone to have with attire, but to my knowledge from !940 onwards as far as I am aware, tweed attire has been suit equivalent and the BBSBA has been formal day attire. Of course since the 1970's the kilt hire industry has muddied the waters even more with their often conflicting and inaccurate advice, sadly illustrated so well with their myriad of unhelpful internet pictures.

Sadly Kilt Hire and Pipe bands will likely continue to drive what's fashionable.

**Jock Scot** · 20th February 23, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by piperalpha

Sadly Kilt Hire and Pipe bands will likely continue to drive what's fashionable.

Yes the kilt hire aspect will continue to thrive as almost all of their clients have little idea, or care, of what it means to dress traditionally. Fortunately there are still those that are aware that there are demarkation lines between band attire and what is traditional civilian kilt attire and how and when it is worn.