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    Ulster Tartans...

    There are two Ulster Tartans listed on the Scottish Tartans Museum's Irish tartans page, the Ulster & the Ulster Red -- the former is a "weathered" tartan, to simulate the colours when the original piece was pulled out of the bog in the 1960's.

    Just keep scrolling down, and you'll see it:

    http://www.scottishtartans.org/Irish.htm

    I prefer the Ulster Red myself, although I do like the County Cork, Wexford, Westmeath, and Mayo Tartans as well! :mrgreen:

    Cheers,

    Todd

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    Thanks cajunscot,
    Now I know if I'm ever bumming around in an Ulster tartan I can justly proclaim that I have just been pulled out of a bog!


    Cheers,
    T.R. Matthews

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthews
    Thanks cajunscot,
    Now I know if I'm ever bumming around in an Ulster tartan I can justly proclaim that I have just been pulled out of a bog!


    Cheers,
    T.R. Matthews
    That's okay. It's actually a compliment in some circles in Armagh.

    Make sure to play this music while you're in there:

    The Bogside Rogues
    Arise. Kill. Eat.

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    more on Ulster tartan...

    From the Ulster-Scots Agency's web site:

    Ulster has its own 350-year old tartan, which has an intriguing history. On 28 April 1956, the Coleraine Chronicle reported the discovery by a farm labourer of ragged clothing dug out of an earth bank on the farm of Mr William Dixon, in the townland of Flanders, near Dungiven, County Londonderry.
    The find consisted of a woollen jacket or jerkin, a small portion of a mantle or cloak, trews or tartan trousers, and leather brogues. This was the style of clothing worn by men in those parts in the 16th or early 17th century.
    Archaeologists from the Ulster Museum were invited to analyse the discovery. A block of peat containing fragments of the clothing was examined by Mr A G Smith of the Department of Botany at Queen’s University, revealing a high concentration of pine pollen. Scots pine had been introduced into Ireland in the 1600s. The likelihood was that the tartan cloth was at least that old.

    Peaty loam destroys flesh and bone while preserving fabrics like wool and leather. No body was found, though it is possible that the site marked a grave.
    Audrey Henshall from Edinburgh’s National Museum of Antiquities examined the woollen cloth, which had been well preserved. Its reddish brown staining was due to its being buried for hundreds of years in peat. The trews had been made up from tartan woven in the Donegal style, in strips varying in width and distance from each other. The remaining items were also subjected to rigorous analysis.
    Audrey Henshall concluded that while the mantle was Irish, the trews almost certainly originated in the Highlands. The logical explanation was that tartan cloth woven in Donegal had been exported to Scotland. There the material had been made up into tartan trews, which was the fashion in the Highlands. These trews started off as clothing for some wealthy person. When they were unearthed in the soil at Flanders townland, the trews were covered in patches. The large variety of materials used indicated that the trews had been passed from one person to another, adding to the mystery.

    The textile expert supported the soil analysis, dating the find to between 1600 and 1650. The original colours proved very difficult to distinguish, which was to be expected, given that the tartan had been buried for centuries. However, Audrey Henshall’s specialist techniques enabled her to extrapolate what the original colourings in the cloth would have been. Having identified the colours red, dull green, dark brown and orange or yellow, the antiquarian stated that the ground consisted of wide blocks of red and green, divided into squares of about one inch by groups of narrow lines of dark orange, dark brown and green.
    A hand-loom in the Belfast College of Technology was used to re-create the Ulster tartan, based on the colours of the rags in the earth bank. In 1958 a tailor’s model, dressed in the mantle, jacket, trews and brogues, graced the entrance hall of the Ulster Museum.
    The tartan was registered with the Scottish Tartan Society in the early 1970s as “weathered Ulster Tartan”. Later a second pattern, based on Audrey Henshall’s reconstructed colours, was also registered with the Society. This restored version is known as “red Ulster tartan”. The Society accepted that both tartans were genuine.
    I know I've posted this before, but I thought Matthews might enjoy reading this. It is from an article on kilts & tartans:

    http://www.ulsterscotsagency.com/tartanandkilts.asp

    Another Irish tartan, the Clodagh tartan, was reportedly found in the Bog of Allen in Southern Ireland.


    Cheers,

    Todd

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    there has actually been a lot of deabte about the Irish Kilt being at least at old the the Scottish variety. most agree the scottish kilt was evolved from the Lein, a long linen shirt that reached to the knees or longer. I for one beleive from what I have read that the Irish also eventually seperated the top from the bottom and created an Irish kilt, though it most likely wasnt wool, proably linen.

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    Irish kilt...

    there has actually been a lot of deabte about the Irish Kilt being at least at old the the Scottish variety. most agree the scottish kilt was evolved from the Lein, a long linen shirt that reached to the knees or longer. I for one beleive from what I have read that the Irish also eventually seperated the top from the bottom and created an Irish kilt, though it most likely wasnt wool, proably linen.
    Welcome, KiltedBishop!! Are you a Bishop in employment, or surname?

    The Ulster Tartan referred to in the article I quoted was not in the form of a Scottish kilt, but tartan trews.

    Cheers,

    Todd

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    actually Bishop is my first name.
    I saw that they were trews I was speaking of an overall sense of Irish kilts. plaid fabric is nothing new though, it was worn as cape/cloak the actual term escapes me, with the lein. which as fabric seems to have become popular for everything else. Trews if I remember right were more of a status symbol than anything else, at that time being harder to make.
    of course I could be wrong.

    and thanks for the welcome!

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    the cloak is a brat isnt it?

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    THAT'S IT!!!! I couldn't remember it to save my life! thanks!!!

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    speaking of that, does any one know where i could buy a brat or perhaps a pattern to making one? Thanks

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