kilt lifters

[Tim Walker]

My view for what it's worth is he's no freind, a real freind would not intentionally try to hurt or offend.
Anyone trying to lift your kilt is acctually asulting you and as such you may defend yourself by any reasonable means. After all women would screem blue murder if a man raised her skirt/dress without her permission.
Not that I'm suggesting you screem like a girl, but it makes me angry that there seems to be one set of rules/morals for women and another set for men.
If it happens to me they better be propared to take a smash in the mouth first ( I don't like surprises).
The key here is ask first ,you maybe surprised.
cheers Richard Duncan Reynolds.

Would you be willing to inflict on a woman "a smash in the mouth"? Wouldn't this be disproportionate to the provocation?

[Ranald]

In truth my friend I probably wouldn't hit any woman as I don't think it's right ' but I certainly would threaten to do so.
Please don't misunderstand my message , I said I don't like surprises' and one should be able to defend oneself by any reasonalble means and if while flinging your arm around to get your kilt lowered someone gets hit then so be it.
I ask you this...Would you be willing to fight for your honour and respect?
You have the same rights as everyone else not less because your kilted.

[Mathuna]

I've been wearing kilts for only about two years now, and though I've had several friends (mostly the waitresses of the bars I frequent) tease me with little flips that wouldn't even show if I had boxers on, only twice have I had a "serious" incident.

The first was as I was walking into a restaurant as a couple was walking out. They had the initial "what the..." reaction, then we chatted for a couple of minutes. At one point the woman reached down and started to lift the apron. Her husband actually stopped her before I could, saying "you don't even know this guy!". When she told him "He likes it, that's why he wears a kilt", I had to make it very clear that without an invitation it's beyond rude. It's comparable to my lifting her shirt up without warning. As embarassed as that made her, it got worse when her husband agreed with me and he grabbed her shirt and lifted it. At first she was shocked and fell down grabbing her shirt, but then they were both laughing as she was smacking him all the way to their car.

The second was on St. Patrick's Day, so naturally there was drinking involved. I was shooting pool when a woman I know came up and asked the question. (I thought about giving a "show me yours and I'll show you mine" answer, except this woman was a dancer and I had already seen hers). Because we were in a corner and the crowd was at my back, I just smiled with my hands on my hips as she slowly lifted the apron. I could tell she was just going to lift until she saw underwear, but as I was regimental she kept going until she got a shocked look on her face. Let me tell you, having a very hot stripper look under your kilt and yell "Oh my God! I wasn't expecting THAT!" in a crowded bar has it's ups and downs. The rest of the night I had to be on my guard for uninvited lifters. On the up side, there were a few really good show me/show you moments.

So depending on the circumstance, kilt lifters are one of the blessings/curses we will hopefully have to always live with.

[Jerry]

Would you be willing to inflict on a woman "a smash in the mouth"? Wouldn't this be disproportionate to the provocation?

This isn't kilt related, but it does concern, at least implying physical violence against a female. SEveral years ago, as I pulled off from a green light, a female driver leaving the light opposite me, made a left turn (across my line of traffic), and came within inches of hitting my new truck. I was willing to just go on and continue on my way (no harm no foul?). ut with her vehicle sitting nearly against my truck, The B%$% jumped out and started cursing me in lamguage which would have made any crewman on the destroyer, I was stationed on during the unpleasantness in southeast Asia, blush. When she paused to catch her breath, I simply made the comment, "mam, I don't make it a practice to hit ladies, but it is painfully obvious that you are not a lady, so it wouldn't count." She got back into her car, and I pulled away and left.

[Doc Hudson]

, I simply made the comment, "mam, I don't make it a practice to hit ladies, but it is painfully obvious that you are not a lady, so it wouldn't count." She got back into her car, and I pulled away and left.

Good on ya!!

I've used similar tactics to calm irate women. I've told several that I don't hit ladies, but if you strike me without provocation, I will consider you to be acting like a man and respond accordingly. Generally calms the situation enough for rational conversation or at least we manage to part company without violence.

[Sir Robert]

Look if you hang out with drunken morons in bars filled with idiots yes you had better be prepaired to be lifted.

If I could not handle that then I would not go there.

[Geoduck]

Look if you hang out with drunken morons in bars filled with idiots yes you had better be prepaired to be lifted.

If I could not handle that then I would not go there.

To some degree, I agree with this. I don't think it should be acceptable, but it can be planned for. I usually avoid late nights at clubs, but on Saturday, I went into the dangerous (sic) section of Seattle, known as downtown Ballard. We even passed UK headquarters on the way. The kilt went unnoticed until about 12:30 am, when some women came up to me and asked what I was worn under the kilt (finally, perfect phrasing) "Why nothing, everything is in perfect, working order." They giggled and walked away. A couple minutes later I felt that tell tale breeze against the back of my legs and sure enough... Luckily, I have made the promise to my wife (I know, you make conscesions when you go out with the guys) to always wear boxers under the kilt, if she's not there to appreciate me not wearing them (sorry if that was a bit blunt). So I'm not exactly sure what they may have seen, but at that point, I'm only a little flattered (honestly) and relieved that I had planned ahead.

After we left the first bar (band was done) and moved onto another pub for a last pitcher before we called a cab, we ran into a rather intoxicated (by no means intoxicating) woman. She ran uyp to me, grabbed my apron and proceeded to pull up my kilt! I couldn't have been more offended. I asked her if she would mind if I did that to her in a skirt, at that point her male companion stepped in (I'm not sure if he was trying to get her out of trouble, but he was clearly embarrassed). She screamed names at me until we entered the second bar, names that would describe female genetalia, if you get my drift. I just couldn't believe the audacity. Honestly, the first group of girls was playful, and I couldn't be too offended, but the second....:confused:

Oh well, I do figure this will happen, but it is still violating. I still think the best thing one can do is walk away, nothing ticks off someone looking for a confrontation than the person just walking away.