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 Originally Posted by Jimmy Carbomb
Thanks for the lesson teacher!!!;)
That was pretty darned cool! Camoflauging the "boys" with a tan apron... but leaving the rear bumper exposed kind of spoke to priorities. You would have thought that they would have just had a tan kilt with some sort of tartan flashes (or something). That's one strike about "traditional wear".
Could you imagine if they had access to a lighter material UtiliKilt back then?!!! Ooooooo.... ahhhhhhhh!
Gawd, I LOVE these kilt history lessons!!!
I think that the front only khaki aprons had less to do with "priorities" than the expectation that the enemy would never see the back of a Highlander.
i.e. no retreating and no expectation of a Highlander having to crawl in the dirt under fire.
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kilt aprons...
 Originally Posted by Doc Hudson
I think that the front only khaki aprons had less to do with "priorities" than the expectation that the enemy would never see the back of a Highlander.
i.e. no retreating and no expectation of a Highlander having to crawl in the dirt under fire.
I think more of it had to do with spending and lack of foresight, i.e. the kilt apron was an "battlefield innovation" and probably not a lot of thought went into it at first, like many other pieces of military "kit".
The Boer War saw a lot of re-thinking of the field uniform; formation signs, regimental cap badges and rank insignia quickly disappeared, and officers tried dress like other ranks to make themselves more "invisible" from sniper fire.
The myth of the Boer War is that the Boers were all farmers in civilian clothing, but the Boers had their professional para-military forces that wore uniforms (The Transvaal Stats-Artillery) and foreign volunteers from Europe and the US (Blakes Irish Brigade) who wore uniforms as well.
I have a great photo somewhere of some Black Watch Jocks beside a block house fortification in South Africa; as well as the kilt aprons, the Jocks are wearing Australian-style slouch hats, which gives a very natty look indeed! ;)
Here endeth the lesson. :mrgreen: Jimmy, always happy to oblige!
Cheers, 
Todd
Last edited by macwilkin; 6th July 05 at 08:05 AM.
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 Originally Posted by cajunscot
The myth of the Boer War is that the Boers were all farmers in civilian clothing, but the Boers had their professional para-military forces that wore uniforms (The Transvaal Stats-Artillery) and foreign volunteers from Europe and the US (Blakes Irish Brigade) who wore uniforms as well.
I believe that many of the Boers' paramilitary forces came from the old Natal Native Contingents that were active during the 1879 Zulu War (for example). These were Boers who were serving under the British, but naturally went with their heritage when push came to shove.
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 Originally Posted by jfellrath
I believe that many of the Boers' paramilitary forces came from the old Natal Native Contingents that were active during the 1879 Zulu War (for example). These were Boers who were serving under the British, but naturally went with their heritage when push came to shove.
Yes and no. Whilst there were certainly some veterans of actions against the Zulus in the 1870's in the Boer forces, Both the Transvaal & the Orange Free State, the Boer Republics, maintained their own military & police forces, complete with modern artillery. There were also Boer irregular forces from the Cape Colony (British territory), led by Jan Christian Smuts, who later made a name for himself in the First & Second World War British Army. These were the famous Boer "Commandos", a Portuguese word. In response, the British sent colonial forces from the Dominions, Australia, New Zealand and Canada, since colonial troops were thought to be able to fight the Boers "on their own ground", a la "Breaker Morant". Besides the Australians, the Canadians gained a fierce reputation among the Boers, especially the men of Strathcona's Horse, a cavalry regiment made up of Western Canadian cowboys, lumberjacks, mounties, etc. Donald Smith, later Lord Strathcona, orginally from Forres, Scotland, raised the regiment with his own money. The Strathconas today have a pipe band (Mackenzie tartan; for Colin!) in his honour.
Not all South Africans fought the British; a number of South African units were raised, including among the Scottish community, the Scottish Horse, the Transvaal Scottish,the Cape Town Highlanders, Witswatersrand Rifles, etc. Most of the regiments are still serving today in the South African Defence Forces (SADF).
Sorry to go on a tangent about the Boer War, but it's one of my areas of interest! :mrgreen:
Cheers, 
Todd
Last edited by macwilkin; 6th July 05 at 09:01 AM.
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Cajunscot: Thanks, Todd, for all that (and even the Boer War stuff).
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Who says that you learn something new every day? Just by reading these type of posts you learn a ton of stuff. Thank you all for inspiring this discussion, and keeping it lively.
Glen McGuire
A Life Lived in Fear, Is a Life Half Lived.
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 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Yes and no. Whilst there were certainly some veterans of actions against the Zulus in the 1870's in the Boer forces, Both the Transvaal & the Orange Free State, the Boer Republics, maintained their own military & police forces, complete with modern artillery.
Certainly... I didn't mean to say that they ALL came from the Natal Native Contingent. Just that there were quite a few. Nor did I mean to imply that many of these guys would have been in the Zulu War of 1879 - that's ~20 years before as you know, and I simply meant to say they were similar units.
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
There were also Boer irregular forces from the Cape Colony (British territory), led by Jan Christian Smuts, who later made a name for himself in the First & Second World War British Army. These were the famous Boer "Commandos", a Portuguese word. In response, the British sent colonial forces from the Dominions, Australia, New Zealand and Canada, since colonial troops were thought to be able to fight the Boers "on their own ground", a la "Breaker Morant". Besides the Australians, the Canadians gained a fierce reputation among the Boers, especially the men of Strathcona's Horse, a cavalry regiment made up of Western Canadian cowboys, lumberjacks, mounties, etc. Donald Smith, later Lord Strathcona, orginally from Forres, Scotland, raised the regiment with his own money. The Strathconas today have a pipe band (Mackenzie tartan; for Colin!) in his honour.
Not all South Africans fought the British; a number of South African units were raised, including among the Scottish community, the Scottish Horse, the Transvaal Scottish,the Cape Town Highlanders, Witswatersrand Rifles, etc. Most of the regiments are still serving today in the South African Defence Forces (SADF).
I think we should be careful about implying that South Africans=Boers... the Boers were the descendants of the Dutch immigrants to South Africa. As you're pointing out, some South Africans were (and indeed still are) of other descent.
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Sorry to go on a tangent about the Boer War, but it's one of my areas of interest! :mrgreen:
Mine, too! I am in the middle of an Irish history kick right now, but you're inspiring me to go dig out my Byron Farwell books!
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Boer War
 Originally Posted by jfellrath
Certainly... I didn't mean to say that they ALL came from the Natal Native Contingent. Just that there were quite a few. Nor did I mean to imply that many of these guys would have been in the Zulu War of 1879 - that's ~20 years before as you know, and I simply meant to say they were similar units.
I think we should be careful about implying that South Africans=Boers... the Boers were the descendants of the Dutch immigrants to South Africa. As you're pointing out, some South Africans were (and indeed still are) of other descent.
Sorry, jfellrath -- I misunderstood what you were "saying" in that post! ;)
I own several Farwell books myself! :mrgreen:
Cheers, 
Todd
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Kilt Aprons
I have not seen one, but reproductions of the kilt apron are available on the What Price Glory site:
www.whatpriceglory.com/scot.htm
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6th July 05, 08:46 AM
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You're going to catch me on this, but I came across an article that referred to how much the Australian Highland troops hated the look of the hat with the kilt.
The dress uniform does look garish, I don't recall seeing any field pictures.
Further interesting note is that it was the ANZACs who changed the way WW1 was fought. The core strategy was based on the most succesful recent model, that is the US Civil War, and forced by Germany's attempt to overwhelm by numbers (I'm keeping it simplistic for time and space reasons.) Anyway, the Anzacs were a volunteer force and offered to unvolunteer if lead into anything more stupid like Gallipoli, they unvolunteered off that spit and into the trenches where they brought their attitude to Canadians, also primarily volunteer. The Canadians offered to also unvolunteer if they didn't have more control. The Canadians were given that control and won the next major battle, and the tide of war changed.
I wouldn't give much credit to the idea of camoflage, except as incidental. That was a later strategy. The wool kilts couldn't handle the type of physical labour that the troops were expected to do while wearing kilts: trench digging, barbed wire, etc. It was a cost effective measure, apron versus new kilt, and not needed on the back because they were not going to sit down. Other pictures will show the apron becoming a proto-UK.
You probably already know the last kilted highland charge of the British Army took place in WW2 during the Dunkirk evacuation by the Camerons (check me here: 4th battalion at Omers). Won the fight. lost the battle (no ammo, fuel, food, anything), won the war. For this the Camerons get to wear the blue hackle (feather) in their headgear. Official reason for discontinuing kilts in battle was fear of gas.
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