Quote Originally Posted by bubba
Interesting thing is the police simply can't uphold their end of the deal but demand we stick closely to it. In the US a while back the Supreme Court ruled that police have no obligation to protect any individual. This society is insane and suicidal.
I'm pretty sure that the Canadian gov't still holds that they are responsible for protection.
I'm more familiar with defence issues. The Canadian ruling is that one must be able to demonstrate that (a) one tried to call the authorities or (b) had no opportunity to call or (c) called and was unable to wait for their arrival. If those conditions are satisfied then one may be able to claim a legal position of self-defence. There's also a limitation on the degree of force one can use, enough to stop the attack. There is another position which is not used as often but it's a better legal defence: enough force to stop a continuing attack. That one allows an incapacitating, Dreadbelly, type response. Most self-defence instructors do not distinguish the two legal positions. My classes teach the students to never say to the police that they had a knife, they had a cutting tool, and that the situation was a continuing attack. The students have never had to go to court even though several have had to use the skills. My proudest was a young lady who knocked the first guy out and scarred the second so that all the police had to do was hit the bars and find the scarred and get them both. That was within an hour of being shown the technique.

....but we're way off the thread here.