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[Archangel]

You mean the Camerons -- The Osprey book has a misprint there, as to my knowledge, only the pipes & drums of the Cameronians wore kilts. ;)

Cheers,

Todd

noticed this when I was thinking of it later on. probably quicker to ask you than start looking it up. Are you saying that there is a difference between Camerons and Cameronians? (and, if so, what?)

[macwilkin]

noticed this when I was thinking of it later on. probably quicker to ask you than start looking it up. Are you saying that there is a difference between Camerons and Cameronians? (and, if so, what?)

BIG difference:

The Camerons: A Highland Regiment
The Cameronians: raised from Covenanting Presbyterians, and named for Richard Cameron, a covenanter leader.

More later this evening -- off work soon.

T.

[Archangel]

BIG difference:

The Camerons: A Highland Regiment
The Cameronians: raised from Covenanting Presbyterians, and named for Richard Cameron, a covenanter leader.

More later this evening -- off work soon.

T.

thanks, I'll be waiting.
I knew this much but was assuming that sometimes Cameronian was being used as a possesive of Cameron, or interchangeable, or something. I've got some research to do.

[macwilkin]

thanks, I'll be waiting.
I knew this much but was assuming that sometimes Cameronian was being used as a possesive of Cameron, or interchangeable, or something. I've got some research to do.

Check out the Scottish Military Historical Society's web page:

http://www.btinternet.com/~james.mckay/dispatch.htm

You'll see a group of links about half way down the page; one of them is "Lineage of the Scottish Regiments" -- click on that, then click on "Lineage of the Scottish Regiments of the Regular British Army". You will see links to pages about the various regiments.

T.

[Prester John]

Hey Cajun

Nice new avatar!

Fill us in, please.

[macwilkin]

Hey Cajun

Nice new avatar!

Fill us in, please.

One of the other mods may want to move this message, since it is OT, but my new avatar is a black ribbon for the victims of Hurricane Katrina, with the colours Green, Gold and Purple, the traditional colours associated with Mardi Gras, symbolizing the determination of the people of New Orleans -- my mother-in-law made this version, as well as "real" versions of the ribbon to wear and display to show support for "The Big Easy".

I am a Cajun by "the ring and the backdoor", after all! ;)

Cheers,

Todd

[Archangel]

Check out the Scottish Military Historical Society's web page:

http://www.btinternet.com/~james.mckay/dispatch.htm

You'll see a group of links about half way down the page; one of them is "Lineage of the Scottish Regiments" -- click on that, then click on "Lineage of the Scottish Regiments of the Regular British Army". You will see links to pages about the various regiments.

T.

thanks, I've missed that, all this time I've been thinking that they were the same things identified badly. It was my confusion, I've got some homework to do.

(note: I'm familiar with that website, terrific. I wrote an article for a magizine years ago about Sgian Dhu's (it was published, made some money). One of the things the editor really wanted was a photo of a soldier in combat actually wearing one in the sock. This was before the 'net and I never did find one. The photo on this site for between wars training was the first clear picture I found. It's a posed, training picture but there it is, Skean Dhu worn by a soldier in a combat training exercise. I've since found a couple more.)

[An t-Ileach]

I'm pretty sure it was the Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) that wore trews in Douglas tartan, whilst the HLI, now the RHF, wears Mackenzie.

T.

This is my mistake. The error arose because I've a copy of a print of two jocks circa 1875 of the 71st that appear to be wearing Douglas trews, rather than the MacKenzie of the 73rd, but as one is wearing a scarlet jacket and the other a blue patrol jacket, they couldn't be Rifles. It must be a colourist's error at some point. The Cameronians did indeed wear the Douglas tartan, with the usual Rifles' garb of rifle green and black facings and black horn buttons and rank insignia.

[macwilkin]

This is my mistake. The error arose because I've a copy of a print of two jocks circa 1875 of the 71st that appear to be wearing Douglas trews, rather than the MacKenzie of the 73rd, but as one is wearing a scarlet jacket and the other a blue patrol jacket, they couldn't be Rifles. It must be a colourist's error at some point. The Cameronians did indeed wear the Douglas tartan, with the usual Rifles' garb of rifle green and black facings and black horn buttons and rank insignia.

So do the pipes and drums of the Ghurkhas, and the Witwatersrand Rifles of the South African Defence Forces.

No worries, mate, about the tartan mix-up! :mrgreen:

T.