Kilt History

[highlander_Daz]

Freedom it doesnt matter how many points you come up with about the history of the Kilt, a Tartan Kilt will ALWAYS be associated with Scotland, How many times have you been asked "are you Scottish?" when wearing a tartan kilt? , The kilt is part of the Scots national dress that will never change, any garment is subject to evolution, but a tartan Kilt worn by a man instantly says to people "Scotland"!!

if I could find an obscure website that shows the mexican sombrero was invented by a man from Kilmarnock, would that instantly change everyones perception?, I think not. I cant see the point of labouring this debate on and on.

[Freedomlover]

Quite right. I merely observed that it is a logical development from long ages of history.

But we can, without rancor, agree to let it go.

[An t-Ileach]

There is an old(-ish) saying that if you met a man wearing the kilt then you knew his language was Gaelic - which seems to locate the provenance of the tradition as being Scottish. That's no good reason to ossify it and not hold that it can develop and evolve; however, we should, in my opinion, always acknowledge where it comes from.

Anyway, traditions don't have to be very old to be traditional. I'm sure somebody's busy building traditions for the (new and awfully named regiment) "The Rifles" as they are for the slightly older but equally awfully named Royal Regiment of Scotland.

I just want the Scottish (and particular the Gaelic) origin of the kilt to be acknowledged by all - whatever they may chose to do with it afterwards in the way of evolution.

[macwilkin]

There is an old(-ish) saying that if you met a man wearing the kilt then you knew his language was Gaelic - which seems to locate the provenance of the tradition as being Scottish. That's no good reason to ossify it and not hold that it can develop and evolve; however, we should, in my opinion, always acknowledge where it comes from.

Anyway, traditions don't have to be very old to be traditional. I'm sure somebody's busy building traditions for the (new and awfully named regiment) "The Rifles" as they are for the slightly older but equally awfully named Royal Regiment of Scotland.

I just want the Scottish (and particular the Gaelic) origin of the kilt to be acknowledged by all - whatever they may chose to do with it afterwards in the way of evolution.

Hear, Hear! I think that speaks for many of the "traditionalists" on the board like myself, who are accepting of the "evolutionary" forms of the kilt, yet expect the same tolerance extended to us in return.

Slainte!

Todd

[Sherry]

Well said. I second Todd's, "Hear, hear!"

I missed that post since I was just scanning this thread. Thanks for making it more noticeable, Todd.
Sherry

[jfellrath]

Hear, Hear! I think that speaks for many of the "traditionalists" on the board like myself, who are accepting of the "evolutionary" forms of the kilt, yet expect the same tolerance extended to us in return.

The point of view I like to take is "remember and respect the old, but don't reject the new." I'd say there is a sizable number of men who have adopted the traditional kilt after starting out with a UK, PK, etc. I myself am one of these.

[Archangel]

The point of view I like to take is "remember and respect the old, but don't reject the new." I'd say there is a sizable number of men who have adopted the traditional kilt after starting out with a UK, PK, etc. I myself am one of these.

Common law says something done twice becomes law. So new traditions pop up all the time, no problem. We take what we like and discard the rest, creating another new tradition. I'm just looking for a longer rest before analysts and bad historians and worse taxonomists get going again.

Is this grousing, am I grousing again? Am I a grouse? It sounds like another kind of parasite, like spouse does (don't go there, some of you).

[jfellrath]

Common law says something done twice becomes law. So new traditions pop up all the time, no problem. We take what we like and discard the rest, creating another new tradition. I'm just looking for a longer rest before analysts and bad historians and worse taxonomists get going again.

In the same way that people are constantly asking kilt-wearers if they're Scottish, play the pipes, etc., I think that fashion-oriented people feel the need to categorize kilts according to what they perceive their importance to the world of fashion to be. Hence your analysts, bad historians, and taxonomists getting all crazy in the noggin.

Is this grousing, am I grousing again? Am I a grouse? It sounds like another kind of parasite, like spouse does (don't go there, some of you).

Actually, I think a grouse is a bird. But here's the question... why isn't the plural of grouse grice? I mean, mouse-mice...

[KiltedCodeWarrior]

Actually, I think a grouse is a bird. But here's the question... why isn't the plural of grouse grice? I mean, mouse-mice...

Arrghhh! I tried to resist but I have to post here because that makes the plural of spouse, spice! So maybe the Mormons have it right!

Disclaimer: The comments above are meant in fun and humor based on popular conceptions (or maybe just my own!). Please don't inundate me with facts to refute it. :-):-)

[Freedomlover]

....before analysts and bad historians and worse taxonomists get going again.

...said he as he took too much speed into the curve....