New Scots Regiment may be wearing cheap foreign tartan

[arrogcow]

Or taking the black beret away from the Rangers and giving it to everyone to make them feel better about themselves.

Said it before and I'll say it again. The rangers stole the black beret from the Cavalry first, so I'm darn glad that it got taken away from them too.

Adam

[bubba]

Said it before and I'll say it again. The rangers stole the black beret from the Cavalry first, so I'm darn glad that it got taken away from them too.

Adam

The Special Forces was the first authorized to wear a beret with the uniform, the green beret. Rangers were the first authorized to wear the black beret with the uniform.

[Pour1Malt]

That's what happens when your biggest concern is cost.

aye- yur richt!

an ai hope everyin oan this site remember thot when they shop a' ASDA arr Walmart!!!

[macwilkin]

The Special Forces was the first authorized to wear a beret with the uniform, the green beret. Rangers were the first authorized to wear the black beret with the uniform.

Actually, the first US Ranger beret was green:

During WWII, the First Ranger Battalion, commonly known as Darby's Rangers, formed in Northern Ireland in 1942. Completion of training at the Commando Depot afforded those Rangers the right to wear the British Commando green beret and the tartan of the Clan Cameron of Lochiel. The U.S. Army disallowed this and Rangers never donned their berets...

http://www.suasponte.com/m_beret.htm

Too bad the brass didn't allow the Rangers to keep their Scottish connection, eh? :mrgreen:

Cheers,

Todd

[RockyR]

Not to play Mod, but this thread is about Kilts and the Scotish Regiments... not Special forces berets...

[macwilkin]

Not to play Mod, but this thread is about Kilts and the Scotish Regiments... not Special forces berets...

You'll notice, Rocky, that I tried to keep the discussion "Scottish" with a mention of the Rangers wearing the British Commando beret with a Cameron tartan patch. :mrgreen: For those who may be unaware, the Commando training camp was in Cameron country at Achnacarry Castle.

But, there is a connection here, involving esprit-de-corps and unit insignia. Members of the old Lowland Regiments, the KOSB's, the Royal Highland Fusiliers and the Royal Scots, for example, are not keen on wearing the kilt in the new RRS, since trews has been the traditional garb of the Lowland soldier since the 19th century.

Regards,

Todd

[bubba]

In due course they'll be wondering why enlistments are down, morale is down and unit effectiveness is suffering. Bureacrats and bean counters have no clue how important symbols and traditions are to the troops. It'll turn out to be penny wise, pound foolish. Sadly, it's pretty much a done deal. The traditions and esprit de corps are already becoming history. It might turn around some day, but that'll be a long way off.

[arrogcow]

The Special Forces was the first authorized to wear a beret with the uniform, the green beret. Rangers were the first authorized to wear the black beret with the uniform.

The Cav was authorized in 1973, Rangers in 1975 (and it was taken from the Cav in 1979). To be fair the 10th Rangers did wear black berets in 1951, but that was a local commander's decision. The first to wear berets were the Brittish Armor units in 1924.

Kilt connection, the berets were based on Scottish bonnets (according to the US Army)

More info at http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/gener...rethistory.htm and http://www.army.mil/features/beret/beret.htm

Adam

[Raphael]

What would the Scottish Regiments when the money is tight? Money don't grow on trees. They need to do whatever it takes to protect the image.

[bubba]

What would the Scottish Regiments when the money is tight? Money don't grow on trees. They need to do whatever it takes to protect the image.

After the Scottish Parliment building mess and all the other wastes of money I'm not gonna buy the money is short whine. I'd bet they waste more money to no benefit at all in one week than the tartan costs for an entire year.