I have a couple Stillwater pieces. They have about 2 or 3 inch rise above my waist (above navel), and falls to about mid-knee...which is where I like it... If I am feeling lazy, I'll wear it a smidge lower, and allow it to drop to the bottom of the knee. All in all, I say these are worth more than the asking prices. Comfy, good looking, and pretty well constructed... great for casual wear, or for the times that you may be around folks who don't know the difference between a hefty formal kilt, and a casual piece. I am thinking of getting a kilt in their nightstalker, or a heavyweight in tartan (I don't recall the clan name... but the tartan has nice earthy tones to it). Perhaps a shadow tartan in black for something a bit more "dressy"... just cause I like the look. Typically I don't think a kilt should be non-tartan... but those shadow designs are just neat.