Aggressive reactions

[Andrew Green]

Binx:
I would say that depends on what you describe as "the full outfit." There are many ways to portray a jacobite, and not all of them are great kilt+waist coat+coat+ bonnet+ tartan hose+brogues+frilly shirt+cravat. Did I miss anything there? One could wear a felidh beag, plus a nice shirt, and perhaps a cravat and a clean waist coat, and maybe a bonnet along with some period correct brogues and hose, and look very presentable, while not carrying around a ton of woolen products! Although if you were portraying a jacobite, and not just a well off clansman, the white cockade is sort of important (from what I have read).

[Hamish]

It seems to me that maybe the lady is the one who needs psychiatric help. Its not her place to tell you what you should wear. You don't need a so called friend who isn't going to be comfortable with what you wear. Having said that, while I would probably have worn a kilt to a similar event, I'd probably have worn it with a casual top and I wouldn't have embellished it with the full Jacobite outfit.

I am afraid that I too have to agree with what Alex says. There is a time and a place for everything, and I don't really see the Jacobite kit as being appropriate for the cinema - no matter how comfortable it might be. Actually, I very much like the Jacobite shirt worn with a leather Potaine and I admit it is very comfortable to wear, but I seldom do because it is rather 'costumey' and over the top.

As for whether your friend should have been so outspoken: perhaps not, but true friends should be able to say anything to each other. I can only think that she was embarrassed to have been escorted by one so flamboyantly dressed.

[Andrew Green]

Parpin:
What all were you wearing as part of your jacobite outfit by the way?

[Blu (Ontario)]

I've often wondered what is the root cause of the remarks some people utter. Your friend could simply be a very socially conservative person who believes that everybody and everything belongs in categories and columns and rows. When we break the rules of conformity, we must set in motion a whole array of little emotional responses within other people. Depending on the person, many won't care at all... others may be profoundly affected. Among those many if not most will pass you by with little more than a double take or a sideways glance. A few, like your friend, are more inclined to speak out.

With absolutely no data to back it up, I suspect that the following conditions come into play for those people...


The person will have an underlying tendency to be outspoken anyway,
-He/she is very likely a conformist and,
-believes everyone else should be a conformist and,
-believes it is their place to influence others to their ideals.

He/she may also be emotionally affected with feelings of
-sexual intrigue and/or
-embarrassment and/or
-anger and/or
-levity
from your bold and non-standard attire.

This is something they probably don't understand themselves, but they're making sure you know that they've been affected.

Bottom line... it's ultimately their problem problem to resolve.

blu

[parpin]

Good night all,

I was dressed EXACTLY the picture on that link <P>
http://www.iq89.com/fr/moi/kilt.html

It is a Jacobite outfit or not ??????

I will be deeply sorry if I did something wrong :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Andrew Green]

No, I wouldn't call that a jacobite outfit for a handful of reasons. Some might call it nitpicking, but I would say that is semi-formal modern dress. Your kilt is a modern kilt... at the time of the '45 (which wasn't the only jacobite rising, but the last), belted plaides would have been very common place, and you would have likely seen some feilidh beags as well. The brogues are also modern, and typically reserved for dressier occasions. Although these are accepted within re-enactment circles as sufficient, the more well to do clansmen would have probably worn buckled shoes... the poorer guys would have been barefoot, or wrapped their feet in leather or other available animal hide. Belt and sporran are more modern as well. Sporrans would have been a simple drawstring like/flip top pouch, and pretty simple in appearance. Solid colour kilt hose would = ok, but often you see tartan hose depicted in the paintings. Flashes weren't the same back then, as these were pieces of fabric tied around your calf to keep the hose up. The belt... that's up in the air on me, as I have not taken a closer look at older style belts.

I would say that you are dressed clean, and definitely look presentable, but I wouldn't call that a jacobite outfit.

Don't be sorry, you didn't do anything wrong. There is a lot to learn about historical jacobite era attire... hell, I have enough questions still to pester some of the more historical minded people on here, and other boards that I use... and it is largely thanks to those guys that I have learned so much so thus far. If you are interested in clothing styles from around the '45, Woodsheal is a great guy to post questions to. Matt Newsome could answer some questions about attire, and definitely questions about appropriate tartan selections for the time period.

There is much to learn, and this forum is a great place to start!

[Caradoc]

Especially if the weather was fairy nasty, as I have yet to find something as protective and warm aas a belted plaide (despite the fact that I am still trying to get the hang of what to do with the upper part, and lack a brooch, clasp, or bodkin to secure it).

Take a piece of leather or rawhide, grab a hank from the front and a hank from the back, and tie them together over your shoulder.

I'll see if I can't find a picture of how I've done that.

[Caradoc]

I am afraid that I too have to agree with what Alex says. There is a time and a place for everything, and I don't really see the Jacobite kit as being appropriate for the cinema - no matter how comfortable it might be.

I was thinking that trading the Jacobite shirt for a nice dress shirt with French cuffs/cufflinks would have been far more appropriate.

[Andrew Green]

I didn't see anything horrible inappropriate, if he was dressing a bit on the fancier side. People used to dress up more to go out to such things in the past, no? When I heard Jacobit outfit I was thinking belted plaide, or feilidh beag.

[Panache]

I'll have to retract my previous opinion as well. I was imagining a great kilt with a very distinct doublet (and bonnet). I do though agree with previous opinions that a more modern shirt would have been more appropriate. I think your friend is just one of the many people that try hard not to stand out in the crowd. Of course we wouldn't know much about that feeling here at X marks.

Cheers